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08-13-2019, 12:51 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I get that. But what costs more per hour, another ramper or APU useage + fuel?
How much does cabin discomfort cost? Even if you leave the APU running, its often less than both (for the fleets that can use both at the same time).
And then when ground air is finally connected, is it awesome, high volume adequate temperature air? At every gate all the time?
This isn't a passive manpower issue. Its an active financial resource allocation issue.
How much does cabin discomfort cost? Even if you leave the APU running, its often less than both (for the fleets that can use both at the same time).
And then when ground air is finally connected, is it awesome, high volume adequate temperature air? At every gate all the time?
This isn't a passive manpower issue. Its an active financial resource allocation issue.
08-13-2019, 12:53 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by Funk
Even when they do hookup air in a timely manner, you often find this artistic result. Good luck on running down someone to help sort this out. End result = APU up and running before boarding commences.
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08-13-2019, 07:10 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by WickedSmaht
Again, concur with all. This makes great tangle foot during a walk around too..
08-13-2019, 07:13 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Yeah but if the leaks are large enough you can stand there and cool off before going back to the hot plane.
Although, it was a dry heat......
08-13-2019, 07:17 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by WickedSmaht
Seems like someone can design and produce a better mousetrap in the way of a PC air hose...wait...hmmmm....
A brand new ground air cart is good enough to keep an EMPTY 100 seat jet cool when the OAT below 85 degrees. Outside of those conditions, the temperature slowly rises.
Let's not forget that the ground air uses fuel/electricity too. Combine that with the acquisition costs of thousands of new ground air carts, and I think the APU starts to look like the better option.
08-13-2019, 07:21 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
I'll tell you this, those Vegas ground crews and that reinforced coupling angle makes a WORLD of difference.
Although, it was a dry heat......
Although, it was a dry heat......
08-13-2019, 07:48 PM
#87
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Originally Posted by Funk
I was there today and can affirm that the commitment to doing ground air correctly is an order of magnitude better than JFK, ATL, LAX, or really anywhere else I’ve been with the 73.
08-14-2019, 01:35 PM
#88
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
You learn a lot sitting in the back NOT in uniform as a commuter. I try to take those experiences and avoid them when I’m actually working. Even if power and air are hooked up I won’t turn off the APU until there are less than 10 pax left.
I came to an aircraft at an outstation, and not a small one, that the APU has been running all night. In one night this outstation erased my lifetime of diligent APU usage. That was the end for me. We wrote it up, spoke with maintenance and pushed it as far as we could. Just got the deer in the headlights look.
I came to an aircraft at an outstation, and not a small one, that the APU has been running all night. In one night this outstation erased my lifetime of diligent APU usage. That was the end for me. We wrote it up, spoke with maintenance and pushed it as far as we could. Just got the deer in the headlights look.
08-16-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
In the winter, some of the northern tier domestic locations have the APU running on multiple aircraft all night long. My record was GRR with 4 aircraft with an overnight low above 20.
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