Originally Posted by gloopy

I thought Compass did a good job too. Fewer regionals should help system wide reliability though as the remaining ones will be better able to recover from IROPS and other things.

Originally Posted by n9810f

I've been told time and time again Compass was the worst performer in the Connection system. This has been seen coming for a long time. It's not always one thing but their dispatch reliability is one recurrent mention...

Originally Posted by sailingfun

ASA never shutdown and has not furloughed to my knowledge. Comair sealed there own fate when Delta had furloughed pilots. The Delta MEC offered to try and negotiate preferential hiring for ASA and Comair in return for assistance with furloughed Delta pilots. This was the Comair reply.

TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATE: December 16, 2002

Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.

The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Comair was a stand alone airline that Delta bought 100% of their stock. How on earth could the Comair MEC override Delta management, and require Delta pilots to resign seniority. That's absolutely legally impossible. If you were required to resign your seniority to work at Comair, that was a Delta management decision alone. The Comair MEC only supports that position.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Comair was a stand alone airline that Delta bought 100% of their stock. How on earth could the Comair MEC override Delta management, and require Delta pilots to resign seniority. That's absolutely legally impossible. If you were required to resign your seniority to work at Comair, that was a Delta management decision alone. The Comair MEC only supports that position.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

It wasn't really about resigning seniority numbers. Look at the rest of the items the Comair MEC wanted. Not only did they want on our seniority list but they wanted to be integrated via a seniority list merge. They thought this was their way in. Hence their attitude about resigning seniority numbers. That was their leverage. It didn't work out well for them.

Denny

Originally Posted by Mesabah

That's not what I'm getting at, why would DALPA go to the MEC chair of Comair to secure hiring of furloughed pilots right in the middle of the Force Majeur arbitration?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Any response to what I said? That was quite the claim on your part.

Originally Posted by Baradium

Now maybe I'm wrong... but wouldn't 1994 hire put you in as someone who turned down flow to Delta already? They did hire some pilots via SSP without a degree as well but that seems to be a double whammy with no degree and turning down flow. I can understand being salty about it, but that would make it your own choices that brought you to where you are.