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Scoop 08-26-2019 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2877044)
They would have gotten rid of the airplanes one way or another. You are all very heavily vested in this game of claiming that what Delta asked for was a win. Tell me, how many 50 seaters do we have active compared to our scope limit? If you are correct, then we will be at the limit for 50 seat flying.

Dude,

I am just a line Pilot reporting the line Pilot perspective. I and 1300 other DAL Pilots where furloughed when our Scope policies sucked. Since 2012 we have been parking RJs and hiring thousands more than UAL, AMR, SWA, and probably every other airline.

I thought scope was to protect jobs - seems like we are improving.

OBTW - I am not “heavily invested” in anything, have zero affiliation with DALPA, have been and will continually be critical of DALPA and think ALPA National is a worthless bloated bureaucracy and would vote in an in house union in a heartbeat.

Scoop

Casualinterest 08-26-2019 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2877050)
Sounded to me like since your CEO is also DAL management and your contract is negotiated with him, he believes your union is in violation of DALPA contract.

Ah. That could be

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Mesabah 08-26-2019 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2877050)
Sounded to me like since your CEO is also DAL management and your contract is negotiated with him, he believes your union is in violation of DALPA contract.

No, I'm talking about the Bridge Agreement. 9E went behind the back of the DAL MEC, didn't even give them a heads up.

deerparkVOR 08-27-2019 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 2876992)
This whole discussion is ridiculous. Guys going to work, and to work only, should have priority over retirees. Other than Pilots going to work, Delta retirees and their family should have priority over connection carrier Pilots and their families. It’s not that hard

Scoop

Just curious, so should a delta retiree's spouse (employee was... let's say a reservation agent) going on vacation have priority over an active 9E pilot going on vacation?

Falcon20 08-27-2019 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by deerparkVOR (Post 2877545)
Just curious, so should a delta retiree's spouse (employee was... let's say a reservation agent) going on vacation have priority over an active 9E pilot going on vacation?

On mainline flights yes.

On 9E flights no.

PilotJ3 08-27-2019 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by deerparkVOR (Post 2877545)
Just curious, so should a delta retiree's spouse (employee was... let's say a reservation agent) going on vacation have priority over an active 9E pilot going on vacation?

Yes. That 9E active pilot is also going on vacation, not to work, no priority is required.

TED74 08-27-2019 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2877635)
Yes. That 9E active pilot is also going on vacation, not to work, no priority is required.

Agreed. If you're going to degrade the "promised" life time benefit offered to previous employees, it better be for a good reason (get 9E pilot to work to protect mainline schedule) and not a bad one (IT can't or won't program 9E dependent going on vacation differently).

Cogf16 08-27-2019 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by deerparkVOR (Post 2877545)
Just curious, so should a delta retiree's spouse (employee was... let's say a reservation agent) going on vacation have priority over an active 9E pilot going on vacation?

Without a doubt. DELTA employee, 9E employee. Delta metal. Without a doubt.
Think of the disparity between the network Delta offers it's regional affiliates and the network they offer the Delta employee(for both nor rev and JS) Massive gain for the regional guy/gal. That's quite a windfall for them without getting the "super seniority", imo

Mesabah 08-27-2019 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2877644)
Agreed. If you're going to degrade the "promised" life time benefit offered to previous employees, it better be for a good reason (get 9E pilot to work to protect mainline schedule) and not a bad one (IT can't or won't program 9E dependent going on vacation differently).

It would have to be on the honor system for 9E crew members to select they are working. That would subject 9E crew members to discipline if they selected the wrong choice, which I'm sure ALPA would not allow.

Cogf16 08-27-2019 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2877644)
Agreed. If you're going to degrade the "promised" life time benefit offered to previous employees, it better be for a good reason (get 9E pilot to work to protect mainline schedule) and not a bad one (IT can't or won't program 9E dependent going on vacation differently).

"Getting 9E pilot to work" Ahh, he can still get to work, he just has to be more careful. We all got to work back in the day without JS. S3A isn't a critical item for these guys.


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