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08-28-2019, 09:57 AM

#211

Shadre Reevis

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Originally Posted by firstmob

A little touchy you bring things up but don't want to discuss unless everyone agreesvwith you

I literally just asked you to explain yourself (ie: have a discussion)... Tell me how my advising you to find a business-friendly solution to your problem is the same as me telling you your retirees don't matter.

Or are you having trouble with that?

08-28-2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceberg

Mush like you said earlier, I would say you ignored the point for obvious reasons...

9E family, like in your previous example, getting better standby status go ahead of Delta retirees/parents. You’re just changing your example to fit your sob story.

9E parents travel at the same priority as Delta retirees, but with an obviously MUCH lower seniority date. So they don't get better priority.

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08-28-2019, 10:20 AM

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Shadre Reevis

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Originally Posted by Casualinterest

9E parents travel at the same priority as Delta retirees, but with an obviously MUCH lower seniority date. So they don't get better priority.

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At first I was thinking this as well, but his point is still valid since 9E active kids/spouses board before DL active parents and retirees. Either group having priority over the other (9E active vs. DL parents/retirees) could cost Delta money in some way, but I suppose Delta decided 9E active crews getting PSC was more expensive and dealt with it accordingly.

08-28-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadre Reevis

At first I was thinking this as well, but his point is still valid since 9E active kids/spouses board before DL active parents and retirees. Either group having priority over the other (9E active vs. DL retirees) could cost Delta money in some way, but I suppose Delta decided 9E active crews getting PSC was more expensive and dealt with it accordingly.

Yea that's correct, but to correct what he said, my parents always travel below Delta retirees. I'd have to look but I believe my kids and spouse only get s3a if they're with me right? Otherwise it's s3??

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08-28-2019, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Casualinterest

9E parents travel at the same priority as Delta retirees, but with an obviously MUCH lower seniority date. So they don't get better priority.

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On all DL and DCI including 9E, 9E parents/retirees travel at S3CR which is well below anything DL retirees travel at on anybody

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08-28-2019, 10:40 AM

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Shadre Reevis

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Originally Posted by Cannonball

On all DL and DCI including 9E, 9E parents/retirees travel at S3CR which is well below anything DL retirees travel at on anybody

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That's what I thought. But the kids/wife still bump retirees if you travel with them to drop them off at Grandma's, or anywhere else... So the OP's issue remains, and it is a valid issue for discussion.

I just felt that complaining about working 9E crew's kids getting travel priority over retirees being "wrong" shouldn't be done without acknowledging how the issue with WO contractors developed in the first place. Hence, Delta's business position must also be considered when discussing a solution.

08-28-2019, 02:23 PM

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msprj2

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A 30 year retired 9e employee
Gets on a 9e flight after the son/daughter of a new hire DL employee. Where’s the outrage?

08-28-2019, 03:28 PM

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Mesabah

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This whole conversation is a moot point any way, the priority isn't going to change, and if management is willing to add flight benefits to the contract, then DALPA will want positive space tickets, which have an actual tangible value assigned to them.

08-28-2019, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey

So, if at Delta, we miss our first flight, the company shouldn't buy me a seat on the second seat?

Are you choosing to live somewhere other than where you are based? Have you attempted multiple avenues including two legging to get to work? Is there an IROP? My experience is that anytime I’ve had extenuating circumstances commuting I notify scheduling of said circumstance and am told to get there when I can. I have never been Positive Spaced by scheduling here at DL to get in position for a rotation or assignment. But I also do my homework and know when I need to look at alternatives when it comes to commuting, and that’s my responsibility because I choose to commute

08-28-2019, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadre Reevis

In the same post you quoted, I had already provided an example. Why you chose to ignore it is obvious.

Why do you believe it cost Delta money to put 9E Employees Families on vs Retirees? Simply asking a question due to what you stated...not sure why it’s hard to answer that?