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#171

Cogf16 , 08-27-2019 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadre Reevis

Can you explain how DALPA took back the flying with the 717 and 220?

And by large jets I assume you mean JVs, and I agree. For the small jets; with the consolidation happening and operational improvements forthcoming, things like performance and profit sharing will only get better for the mainline. I find it hard to believe that most mainliners genuinely want to see the status quo changed. I question if all the "retake RJ scope" rhetoric I hear from these pilots is genuine after years without action, and years of reaping rewards that will only get better.

Jumping in here late, but these "operational improvements" you speak of. what metrics are you using and if they do exist, you think they merit this "NREV super seniority"?
MAYBE, maybe, I'd support the pilot going to work having an S3A but no one else. 30+ years at Delta and then get bumped by the spouse and children of a 2 year regional employee? Totally unacceptable.

#172

Mesabah , 08-27-2019 03:14 PM

:-)

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Originally Posted by Cogf16

"Getting 9E pilot to work" Ahh, he can still get to work, he just has to be more careful. We all got to work back in the day without JS. S3A isn't a critical item for these guys.

We get positive space on the second commuting flight. That's the reason for the S3A. On the second flight, Delta has to buy out a revenue passenger, up to $10,000.

#173

GucciBoy , 08-27-2019 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

We get positive space on the second commuting flight. That's the reason for the S3A. On the second flight, Delta has to buy out a revenue passenger, up to $10,000.

They would drop the trip before they paid $10K to bump...come off it.

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#174

20Fathoms , 08-27-2019 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deerparkVOR

Just curious, so should a delta retiree's spouse (employee was... let's say a reservation agent) going on vacation have priority over an active 9E pilot going on vacation?

I think it absolutely depends on whose metal. Delta metal should equal priority for delta employees and delta retirees. Endeavor employees and retirees can have priority on endeavor metal. Wholly owned or not, they’re still a contractor.

On a side note, sub-contracting has recently ballooned outside of the airline industry as well. If you ever get a chance to check out the google or Facebook campuses, you’ll find only a fraction of the workers there are actual google/Facebook employees. A surprisingly large number of them are contractors.

#175

Mesabah , 08-27-2019 03:25 PM

:-)

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Originally Posted by GucciBoy

They would drop the trip before they paid $10K to bump...come off it.

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I'm not the one who made the decision, Delta management determined it was too much, hence the S3A.

#176

ChecklistMonkey , 08-27-2019 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

We get positive space on the second commuting flight. That's the reason for the S3A. On the second flight, Delta has to buy out a revenue passenger, up to $10,000.

Obvious hyperbole, but this is the reason for the change. They have a me- too with us for unable to commute and it costs too much.

#177

TED74 , 08-27-2019 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

It would have to be on the honor system for 9E crew members to select they are working. That would subject 9E crew members to discipline if they selected the wrong choice, which I'm sure ALPA would not allow.

Why not? Alpa doesn't prevent me from getting fined for using an S2 I don't have.

I trust most people, and if a few lost their travel privileges for abusing the system that wouldn't hurt.

#178

Meow1215 , 08-27-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GucciBoy

They would drop the trip before they paid $10K to bump...come off it.

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Nope, I know for a fact that around the super bowl in MSP that Delta spent almost 15k getting 5 Endeavor pilots to work.

#179

20Fathoms , 08-27-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TED74

Why not? Alpa doesn't prevent me from getting fined for using an S2 I don't have.

I trust most people, and if a few lost their travel privileges for abusing the system that wouldn't hurt.

Agreed with the honor system. I bet any abuse would be minimal and it sure beats waiting on the IT department of D.E.L.T.A. (Doing Electronics Like The Amish) to write a commuting only program.

#180

PilotJ3 , 08-27-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

Is as simple as...only the crew member can select S3A up to a day before/after a trip is on their schedule.

I mean, our JS reservation system won’t let you reserve to/from if is more than 1 day before/after your schedule.

It can be done, they (DL and IT) probably don’t want to spend the resources to make it happen.