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08-24-2019 | 03:08 PM
#131
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At one time ASA was owned by Delta, but we weren’t under the illusion we were Delta employees (well, maybe some disillusioned folks were).
However, we did have S2s and S3s, and even got 3 S1s one year for performance. So we weren’t complaining about the title thing.
However, we did have S2s and S3s, and even got 3 S1s one year for performance. So we weren’t complaining about the title thing.
08-25-2019 | 01:35 PM
#132
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You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
08-25-2019 | 07:29 PM
#133
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That contract was a scope concession from the pilot group. That pilots try to sell it themselves as a win is sickening. You are celebrating reducing the number of airframes of a type that Delta was already parking (the 50 seaters) in exchange for allowing MORE of the planes they wanted (76 seaters) as a win?
You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
Denny
08-25-2019 | 07:34 PM
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Personally i think letting more large RJs into the tent may eliminate mainline jobs, and while it may just be a bigger pie for everyone, i want every bit of that narrow body flying in house
08-25-2019 | 08:41 PM
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You're somehow missing their point. Its a simple point. Delta agreed to scope in the 50seat RJs to a very small number (which was going to happen as it was announced before even TA1 those planes would go away) while increasing the allowed number of 70 and 76 seat aircraft, which is what Delta wants to replace the regional fleet with. So you dropped a large number of 50 seaters from the scope, but that was a plan (without a concrete number) already. You may be cheering economic eventuality is all theyre saying.
Personally i think letting more large RJs into the tent may eliminate mainline jobs, and while it may just be a bigger pie for everyone, i want every bit of that narrow body flying in house
Personally i think letting more large RJs into the tent may eliminate mainline jobs, and while it may just be a bigger pie for everyone, i want every bit of that narrow body flying in house
You say it was a plan already. Care to prove it? Yes I know that the amount of 76 seaters was increased but overall it was a Scope gain. Less overall RJ's AND less overall seats by not an insignificant amount.
Denny
08-25-2019 | 09:25 PM
#136
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That contract was a scope concession from the pilot group. That pilots try to sell it themselves as a win is sickening. You are celebrating reducing the number of airframes of a type that Delta was already parking (the 50 seaters) in exchange for allowing MORE of the planes they wanted (76 seaters) as a win?
You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
Wrong. We celebrated a huge reduction in the percentage of domestic passengers that were flown by non Delta Pilots. This percentage was huge and peaked around 2010-2012. The percentage of passengers flying on RJs has been steadily decreasing over the last decade.
Saying this was a bad move because 50 seaters were being parked anyway is faulty logic. Did this accelerate parking 50 seaters or not? Did overall numbers trend in the right direction or not? Finally who knows what alternative fleet plan the company could have went with had things been different.
In the last decade the total number of RJs, total RJ seats, and the percentage of passengers flying on mainline have all been trending in the right direction.
DALPA legitimately screwed up many things regarding Scope, TA-2 was not one of them.
Scoop
08-25-2019 | 10:13 PM
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No I'm not missing the point. I'm looking at the overall big picture.
You say it was a plan already. Care to prove it? Yes I know that the amount of 76 seaters was increased but overall it was a Scope gain. Less overall RJ's AND less overall seats by not an insignificant amount.
Denny
You say it was a plan already. Care to prove it? Yes I know that the amount of 76 seaters was increased but overall it was a Scope gain. Less overall RJ's AND less overall seats by not an insignificant amount.
Denny
I think the point the other guy was trying to make is, the 50 seater was already going away (which was part of the Pinnacle BK) that there was no need to allow more 76 seater.
08-25-2019 | 10:57 PM
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The bottom line is it was a scope win with less total RJ’s and way less total seats. If y’all can’t see this you are being myopic and need to look at the big picture.
Denny
08-26-2019 | 12:09 AM
#139
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That contract was a scope concession from the pilot group. That pilots try to sell it themselves as a win is sickening. You are celebrating reducing the number of airframes of a type that Delta was already parking (the 50 seaters) in exchange for allowing MORE of the planes they wanted (76 seaters) as a win?
You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
You not only didn't "improve" RJ scope, you sold more of it.
08-26-2019 | 03:59 AM
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It was a huge win for the pilots and resulted in Delta hiring more pilots than the other major airlines combined over the life of the contract. Without the changes in the 76 seat limits Delta would not have been able to get the existing lift contracts terminated and renegotiated. Results matter, they were far better than the forum projected.
The 50 seaters are required by the government in some markets; Same as with some 76 seaters for DCA operations. If you recapture all scope, mainline pilots must fly RJ's, or else surrender major market share.
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