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08-24-2019 | 08:43 AM
#122
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This is a very accurate perception of our role supporting Delta. Considering our direct support of Delta and its employees as a wholly-owned subsidiary, I'm surprised by the lack of support of working 9E crews from some Delta folks here. Our relationship is not even close to the same as other DC carriers.
Does anyone know what DALPA, or other mainline unions, are doing to bring their flying back in house? I'd be curious to know what Delta pilots would be willing to trade to take their flying back. Of course this is probably not the place to discuss, but all this talk of "hold the line on scope" and "take flying back in house" hasn't been backed by any action as long as I've been around. If no action is being taken in this environment, it probably never will.
Does anyone know what DALPA, or other mainline unions, are doing to bring their flying back in house? I'd be curious to know what Delta pilots would be willing to trade to take their flying back. Of course this is probably not the place to discuss, but all this talk of "hold the line on scope" and "take flying back in house" hasn't been backed by any action as long as I've been around. If no action is being taken in this environment, it probably never will.
IMO I don’t see our small jet scope changing much if any. We really need to improve our large jet scope.
Denny
08-24-2019 | 09:16 AM
#123
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And by large jets I assume you mean JVs, and I agree. For the small jets; with the consolidation happening and operational improvements forthcoming, things like performance and profit sharing will only get better for the mainline. I find it hard to believe that most mainliners genuinely want to see the status quo changed. I question if all the "retake RJ scope" rhetoric I hear from these pilots is genuine after years without action, and years of reaping rewards that will only get better.
08-24-2019 | 09:46 AM
#124
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Can you explain how DALPA took back the flying with the 717 and 220?
And by large jets I assume you mean JVs, and I agree. For the small jets; with the consolidation happening and operational improvements forthcoming, things like performance and profit sharing will only get better for the mainline. I find it hard to believe that most mainliners genuinely want to see the status quo changed. I question if all the "retake RJ scope" rhetoric I hear from these pilots is genuine after years without action, and years of reaping rewards that will only get better.
And by large jets I assume you mean JVs, and I agree. For the small jets; with the consolidation happening and operational improvements forthcoming, things like performance and profit sharing will only get better for the mainline. I find it hard to believe that most mainliners genuinely want to see the status quo changed. I question if all the "retake RJ scope" rhetoric I hear from these pilots is genuine after years without action, and years of reaping rewards that will only get better.
08-24-2019 | 09:57 AM
#125
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I think most of us would love to bring all the RJ flying in house, but it takes two to tango. The only way the company would agree to it would be if the rest of our contract were decimated. Same with JV flying. Unfortunately it's going to take incremental improvements to get where we want to be, and we definitely have to be sure to not take any steps backwards. In today's environment there's no reason to give on scope, and that's why united and their pilots are currently at an impasse...
08-24-2019 | 12:16 PM
#126
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Can you explain how DALPA took back the flying with the 717 and 220?
And by large jets I assume you mean JVs, and I agree. For the small jets; with the consolidation happening and operational improvements forthcoming, things like performance and profit sharing will only get better for the mainline. I find it hard to believe that most mainliners genuinely want to see the status quo changed. I question if all the "retake RJ scope" rhetoric I hear from these pilots is genuine after years without action, and years of reaping rewards that will only get better.
And by large jets I assume you mean JVs, and I agree. For the small jets; with the consolidation happening and operational improvements forthcoming, things like performance and profit sharing will only get better for the mainline. I find it hard to believe that most mainliners genuinely want to see the status quo changed. I question if all the "retake RJ scope" rhetoric I hear from these pilots is genuine after years without action, and years of reaping rewards that will only get better.
Denny
08-24-2019 | 12:25 PM
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I think most of us would love to bring all the RJ flying in house, but it takes two to tango. The only way the company would agree to it would be if the rest of our contract were decimated. Same with JV flying. Unfortunately it's going to take incremental improvements to get where we want to be, and we definitely have to be sure to not take any steps backwards. In today's environment there's no reason to give on scope, and that's why united and their pilots are currently at an impasse...
08-24-2019 | 01:21 PM
#128
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To be fair, I don't think many folks object to 9E guys/gals going to work as S3A. It's the garden-variety Non-Rev 9E S3A suddenly bumping the retired/parent 3SB that is objectionable (to most?). Particularly with non-rev-ability being a watered down version of what it once was (when said retiree was active).
08-24-2019 | 01:41 PM
#129
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To be fair, I don't think many folks object to 9E guys/gals going to work as S3A. It's the garden-variety Non-Rev 9E S3A suddenly bumping the retired/parent 3SB that is objectionable (to most?). Particularly with non-rev-ability being a watered down version of what it once was (when said retiree was active).
08-24-2019 | 02:12 PM
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At one time ASA was owned by Delta, but we weren’t under the illusion we were Delta employees (well, maybe some disillusioned folks were).
However, we did have S2s and S3s, and even got 3 S1s one year for performance. So we weren’t complaining about the title thing.
However, we did have S2s and S3s, and even got 3 S1s one year for performance. So we weren’t complaining about the title thing.
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