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Old 09-25-2019 | 07:19 PM
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Pay protect those current 88Bs for forfeited equipment if they elect to stay on the dog. That would be making it right.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
It seems like mgmt is determined to keep the 88 guys in place at all costs in order to keep things staffed next year. Even if it results in a contract violation. Maybe they will rerun it for those guys, but I doubt it.
They made it right plus a bit by giving them the option to change their mind. Seems your management theory was wrong.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They made it right plus a bit by giving them the option to change their mind. Seems your management theory was wrong.
So it wasn’t willful disregard for the AE process, it was incompetence and inability to properly run a very small AE that lead to the mistake. Is that what you are saying?
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
So it wasn’t willful disregard for the AE process, it was incompetence and inability to properly run a very small AE that lead to the mistake. Is that what you are saying?
I hope every time you make a mistake during CQ or on a line check that the evaluator criticizes you in this exact tone.

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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I hope every time you make a mistake during CQ or on a line check that the evaluator criticizes you in this exact tone.

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Very hard to compare those. From my understanding, many people and groups are involved here to include ALPA. Company definitely owned up and fixed it they best way they could, but their IT flubs seem to continue with no real solution.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
So it wasn’t willful disregard for the AE process, it was incompetence and inability to properly run a very small AE that lead to the mistake. Is that what you are saying?
Rarely should one attribute to malice what can be explained by mistakes or incompetence.

All of us see mistakes from the Delta system frequently enough that suspecting nefarious behavior from the company every time something odd happens seems a bit excessive. Evil geniuses, or bumbling buffoons? I think the answer is somewhere in between, and that mistakes explain more than conspiracies.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Funk
Rarely should one attribute to malice what can be explained by mistakes or incompetence.

All of us see mistakes from the Delta system frequently enough that suspecting nefarious behavior from the company every time something odd happens seems a bit excessive. Evil geniuses, or bumbling buffoons? I think the answer is somewhere in between, and that mistakes explain more than conspiracies.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaBeta
Very hard to compare those. From my understanding, many people and groups are involved here to include ALPA. Company definitely owned up and fixed it they best way they could, but their IT flubs seem to continue with no real solution.
This was my point. I’m seeing a lot of this lately. We are in this situation due to the walking back the mistake of prematurely displacing 88 guys, correct? I’m saying there seems to be a lot of “whoops, my bad” over the last 6 months. The mistakes are piling up and they have direct and long lasting effects on our lives. My confidence in the companies ability to handle the staffing challenges we face over the next few years is eroding. Of course I own my mistakes in life, but I also know that only goes so far before your words fall on deaf ears.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
This was my point. I’m seeing a lot of this lately. We are in this situation due to the walking back the mistake of prematurely displacing 88 guys, correct? I’m saying there seems to be a lot of “whoops, my bad” over the last 6 months. The mistakes are piling up and they have direct and long lasting effects on our lives. My confidence in the companies ability to handle the staffing challenges we face over the next few years is eroding. Of course I own my mistakes in life, but I also know that only goes so far before your words fall on deaf ears.
There was no premature displacements for 88 crews. Network elected after the crews were displaced to add block hours for next year and they had to compensate for A321 NEO delays. The alternative would have been a reduction in system wide block hours and a reduction in hiring this winter.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 09:16 AM
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So as the 88 pilots who take other categories (as they should have been able to in the first run) will that then change any of the already awarded slots for others? Or will they just carry some small and temporary overages? If someone is "bumped" from an award from this AE, will they then be displaced, or will it simply be undone?
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