Scope Committee Pacific Update
09-05-2019, 08:38 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
This is pathetic, Trip. Scope is section 1 for a reason. A violation is a violation, and those are our most valuable jobs here in particular. You should be ashamed.
09-05-2019, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
Trip... What is ur angle on this? Ur post smells of partisan politics. Were you part of a previous MEC? Forgive me if that is common knowledge...I don't get on APC much.
Trip, are you currently, or do you aspire to be in the ascend program?
I’m not criticizing the ascend program, but you had to know that this kind of post wouldn’t be received well by the majority of us.
09-05-2019, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
Trip... What is ur angle on this? Ur post smells of partisan politics. Were you part of a previous MEC? Forgive me if that is common knowledge...I don't get on APC much.
09-05-2019, 09:41 PM
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Scope Committee Pacific Update
Originally Posted by Trip7
Delta has finally started growing again in the Pacific but the Scope Committee released an update that seemed overly negative with narrowly focused statistics.
They correctly reported the Company was in violation of Section 1 E. 8 over the last rolling 3 month period for US-Japan flying bringing violations to 26. However, that clause is only active because of ONE route Korean flies from Japan to Hawaii. Expecting the company to maintain USA Japan flying as they pull down the Narita Hub and shift to ICN is silly. USA-Korea flying is well above Scope minimums and Combined Korea/Japan-USA is currently above minimums. Will be interesting to see what the Arbitrator rules on Company vs DALPA interpretation of 1E.8
If the Korean NRT-HNL leisure route did not exist 14 scope violations would be gone bringing violations down to 12. Section 1 E.10. (agree to JV before) is another technicality, as is the A 350 factory pilots which brings true violations down to 10 violations, 7 AeroMexico, 3 West jet since 2016. Still too much but not as drastic painted. As Delta grows in the Pacific and to the UK only thing left to nitpick will be the USA-Japan flying as Delta will not return to Narita Hub levels.
IMO, DALPA needs to stop focusing on small technicalities in the Scope language that have no effect on jobs and focus on the big picture. It's what previous administrations did and that led Delta pilots to the top of the industry.
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They correctly reported the Company was in violation of Section 1 E. 8 over the last rolling 3 month period for US-Japan flying bringing violations to 26. However, that clause is only active because of ONE route Korean flies from Japan to Hawaii. Expecting the company to maintain USA Japan flying as they pull down the Narita Hub and shift to ICN is silly. USA-Korea flying is well above Scope minimums and Combined Korea/Japan-USA is currently above minimums. Will be interesting to see what the Arbitrator rules on Company vs DALPA interpretation of 1E.8
If the Korean NRT-HNL leisure route did not exist 14 scope violations would be gone bringing violations down to 12. Section 1 E.10. (agree to JV before) is another technicality, as is the A 350 factory pilots which brings true violations down to 10 violations, 7 AeroMexico, 3 West jet since 2016. Still too much but not as drastic painted. As Delta grows in the Pacific and to the UK only thing left to nitpick will be the USA-Japan flying as Delta will not return to Narita Hub levels.
IMO, DALPA needs to stop focusing on small technicalities in the Scope language that have no effect on jobs and focus on the big picture. It's what previous administrations did and that led Delta pilots to the top of the industry.
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Are you kidding me? [MOD EDIT], you’re a management tool and troll.
How about the company honors their agreements/contract and then we come to the table.
In the meantime, let’s not management tools bring the group down. SMH
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Last edited by Scoop; 09-06-2019 at 10:24 AM.
09-05-2019, 09:50 PM
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Trip, there is nothing trivial about this violation. I’d much rather fly HNL-NRT than LAX-MCO. I’m about 8 years short on seniority to get across the Pacific it seems, so it does directly impact me. Not saying I’m entitled to fly that route, but I’d like to, and I’d have better odds of doing so if the production balance were fair, rigid and and adhered to. It’s simply outrageous to suggest we should consider the violations are petty and let it slide. Scope matters. Every little piece matters!
09-05-2019, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zippinbye
Trip, there is nothing trivial about this violation. I’d much rather fly HNL-NRT than LAX-MCO. I’m about 8 years short on seniority to get across the Pacific it seems, so it does directly impact me. Not saying I’m entitled to fly that route, but I’d like to, and I’d have better odds of doing so if the production balance were fair, rigid and and adhered to. It’s simply outrageous to suggest we should consider the violations are petty and let it slide. Scope matters. Every little piece matters!
09-06-2019, 12:35 AM
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Obviously you haven’t been to Narita in the last few years. I’ve watched the dismantling of the Northwest network out there and it’s depressing. Technicalities? Hardly, these violations are costing this pilot group hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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