Scope Committee Pacific Update
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The strange thing about this one Korean flight from Japan to Honolulu, is that about 2-3 months ago, ALPA and the company discovered a JV issue with Aeromexico on a MEX-LAX flight that originally had an Aeromexico 787 on it. It was swapped to a Delta 320 by the company to ensure the violation didn't occur. So why hasn't this happened on the Korean route?
#42
It warms my heart to see the responses of everyone (except one) to the OP. As Scoop said, a violation is a violation. It doesn’t matter how big or small. Frankly any Scope violation is a big deal. If you believe JG’s “story” then you need your head examined.
I also disagree with ERflyer in that I want to know of each Scope violation. His characterization that these are coming everyday is simply not true and even if it were that would mean the company is violating it daily which is even worse!
Denny
I also disagree with ERflyer in that I want to know of each Scope violation. His characterization that these are coming everyday is simply not true and even if it were that would mean the company is violating it daily which is even worse!
Denny
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I dont know why the company is choosing to legislate this over email newsletters but if theyre trying to get arguments in early the arbitrator doesnt do anything for free. More likely the company isnt liking their chances with the arbitrator and theyre looking for a deal so they can yank the arbitration date in hopes of a refund before the confirmation window hits.
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The strange thing about this one Korean flight from Japan to Honolulu, is that about 2-3 months ago, ALPA and the company discovered a JV issue with Aeromexico on a MEX-LAX flight that originally had an Aeromexico 787 on it. It was swapped to a Delta 320 by the company to ensure the violation didn't occur. So why hasn't this happened on the Korean route?
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2500 block hours USA-Japan are not coming back anytime soon. Narita is Dead. The company would probably rather just pay us the cost to operate the 2500 hours than add those block hours to Japan unnecessarily.
Again by no means am I saying ignore it. We can either keep whining about a violation that will never get fixed or use it as leverage for greater gains. Or we can wait for the Arbitrator determined settlement, which history has shown, will likely be in the Company's favor. Reference the 350 Delivery Grievance
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Again by no means am I saying ignore it. We can either keep whining about a violation that will never get fixed or use it as leverage for greater gains. Or we can wait for the Arbitrator determined settlement, which history has shown, will likely be in the Company's favor. Reference the 350 Delivery Grievance
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Sycophancy is the motive. He wants to be an obvious management shill while trying to keep some legitimacy with his own pilot group so he can say things like, "well i dont agree with the pilots but I always listen, and thats my leadership style really, I agree with whoever I want to be in charge of me next, while trying not to embarass myself with the pilots i still have to fly with."
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Yes there are scope violations. I don’t really need an email, or several of them, every time there is a violation increase of one. Obviously the intent is to fire up the troops for Section 6 negotiations. Consider us fired up.
I believe what Trip 7 is getting at is that this MEC would be better off truly negotiating rather than screaming “Scope violation!” once a week, or daily it seems. It has very little impact on the desired result we all want and makes the MEC look shrill and impotent.
A better strategy would be a monthly (not daily) summary of violations and implement a better strategy: grieve them and negotiate a new TA.
I believe what Trip 7 is getting at is that this MEC would be better off truly negotiating rather than screaming “Scope violation!” once a week, or daily it seems. It has very little impact on the desired result we all want and makes the MEC look shrill and impotent.
A better strategy would be a monthly (not daily) summary of violations and implement a better strategy: grieve them and negotiate a new TA.
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Me on the other hand, I wish the company would quit regularly violating the contract so the union wouldn't have to scream about it on a weekly basis. Call me crazy.
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Every contract cycle we have a few pilots come on social media and attempt to lower pilot expectations.
Trip7 and whoever is writing his posts has sunk to a new low.
Management is returning billions to our shareholders as we speak. They run an air line that goes day after day without canceling a flight.
They are more than capable of complying with the scope they agreed to. They are more than capable of upgrading technology to automatically pay reroute and OE.
Our leaders are laser focused on enforcing our PWA and attaining a C2019 with major gains across the board.
I have zero doubt they will succeed.
Trip7 and whoever is writing his posts has sunk to a new low.
Management is returning billions to our shareholders as we speak. They run an air line that goes day after day without canceling a flight.
They are more than capable of complying with the scope they agreed to. They are more than capable of upgrading technology to automatically pay reroute and OE.
Our leaders are laser focused on enforcing our PWA and attaining a C2019 with major gains across the board.
I have zero doubt they will succeed.
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