Der Meister

It's going to cost the company. But it a min day with an ADG will put us at least equal to our peers in the industry. Our contract lags behind our peers in quite a few sections. And those sections are currently raking the NB guys over the coals in the name of profits.

TED74

I'm not convinced a min day would be all it's cracked up to be once the optimizer is reprogrammed. But I do wonder if a dynamic ADG wouldn't be nice. For instance:

1-2 day ADG = 5:30/day
3-4 day ADG = 5:45/day
5+ day ADG = 6:00/day

Sure, I'd like 6/day for all the trips as Carmen currently builds them, but I don't want to make 1- and 2-days so "credit expensive" that the optimizer stops making them completely.

FogSkier

At some point the trip RIG(1:3.5) kicks in as more restrictive than the ADG.

sailingfun

The contractual policy which is what protects you from discipline by the company requires 2 hours between trips on online or offline flights. If you desire positive space because issues arose with your primary flight your backup needs to be online but there is no requirement for it to be two hours later.

gloopy

Agreed. And also a single booked company JS should count as well. Its literally better than a revenue ticket for getting to work.

saturn

3rd airline too. Both had MDG. One, actually had an ADG and switched to a lower MDG. All this pontificating about the impending QOL doom with MDG is mostly false perception. And yes, those who think all the 21 credit 4day w/ 21 block in 3 days like I have next month will magically become 26hr are mostly incorrect too.

Fact #1- We arent SWA. Our schedules, network, regional partners, hub-spoke vs p2p, redeye's, widebodies, transcons, NB avg stage length, common pilot type, avg turn & boarding times.... we cannot utilize our pilots like SWA because our model is completely different. SWA by and large is utilized the way they are, not so much because of their workrules, but because they are a single-fleet-single-class-70% 737-700, uber high-utilization, low-stage length regional airline. And a lot of SWA trips don't suck and still pay well, as they increase their stage lengths.

Fact #2 - It's very rare to earn extra $ when you overblock a flight/s. We don't often get paid over the scheduled value. When you have min day and you overblock a flight, it's not wiped away by "credit" somewhere else on the trip. I can't imagine how many millions of dollars this saves DL a year.

Our first and last days on the 320 (lower stage NB fleet vs 73/7ER) are already full of 3 leg days. With a min day, the concern is the company will do what exactly? Less commutability is the argument...but 3 legs are usually near duty limits already. They already are optimizing us.Overblown concern IMHO.
So would they DH us out of more 30hrs? Wouldn't that just make the trip values go WAY up? Can't fix 30hrs completely anyway unless network changes departure times. What about redeyes, either starting/ending or in the middle of rotations? As of now they are almost always min ADG pay because they either give you long rest or 12hr rest with 1 leg next period. They literally cannot cram in more flying touching those redeyes and the subsequent duty period. But as of now the leftover duty periods are the 7-8.5hr block days. With MDG they'd have to pay better (many trips simply cant be changed) or they would have to balance the flying each day so we dont go from 1 easy to 3 hard. Cannot be everyday hard unless they want to have guys with 20 days off.

OOfff

“Reasonable” always becomes problematic when pilots push the envelope of reasonableness. We move at the pace of our slowest walker.

Abouttime2fish

How about if JS is booked going to work, and there are open seats, let me book PS. I get that the company doesn’t care about going home, so on your own there.

Buck Rogers

So then the next jump seater does the same, then another JS does the same, etc, etc,etc. so in the end you might have the 6 available seats eaten up by PS JS's. As a commuter I love this idea.......as a fairness issue I go "not even close" for the NR's wanting to get around the system. Effectively you are wanting the company to give positive space to pilots going to work on any available open seat when booking

Or am I missing what your're suggesting?

Abouttime2fish

I see your point. My idea would only apply if JS was only booked, but yes those commuting to work would trump all non revs. For fair disclosure, I am a commuter that rarely uses travel benefits.