Does AFA Vote Hurts DALPA Negotiations?
11-18-2019, 05:28 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by DALFA
JD Power has Alaska and Delta listed in the same category. Both are network carriers. Why can't you put both in the same category? Once you're above a certain threshold everyone operates the same way.
I flew Cessnas in Alaska. People would be excited to see me land to get groceries. And even more excited when I’d pick them up and take them to the doctor.
11-18-2019, 05:48 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by AlphaBeta
When this was implemented, I spoke directly to the cpo and the reps and they stated it was for flexibility of the FA crews. They were landing in places and needed to reroute them and were unable to due to drinking on dead heads. Both stated that their assumption on why it was implemented on us is because the FAs would not be pleased if we were still allowed to drink on dead heads. Never once heard it was because of a dead head pilot abuser of the drinking policy.
11-18-2019, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Yep. Had to lump us together or else they might vote in a union. This card drive will be interesting. Last crew I flew with was split 50/50. Had a couple pretty vocal, albeit after drinking, FA’s about our non support of their drive. I just told them I didn’t have a vote it was their job to get 50% +1.
You don't have to go out there and say "You need to support AFA!" but saying "I am glad we have a union and a contract because..." would certainly speak volumes. Don't you think?
Btw: Although it's still a fresh drive...i've seen people signing cards that I would have never in a million years expected would be in favor of being unionized. Let's see where things are at in 2-3 months.
11-18-2019, 09:24 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by DALFA
While it certainly is true that it's up to us to get it done...a little support from a fellow union member goes a long way. Maybe speak as to why you do or don't support having a union contract for yourself. Or speak about what management says about having a union would somehow ruin our culture...since after all...we already have unionized employees here.
You don't have to go out there and say "You need to support AFA!" but saying "I am glad we have a union and a contract because..." would certainly speak volumes. Don't you think?
You don't have to go out there and say "You need to support AFA!" but saying "I am glad we have a union and a contract because..." would certainly speak volumes. Don't you think?
11-18-2019, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaBeta
When this was implemented, I spoke directly to the cpo and the reps and they stated it was for flexibility of the FA crews. They were landing in places and needed to reroute them and were unable to due to drinking on dead heads. Both stated that their assumption on why it was implemented on us is because the FAs would not be pleased if we were still allowed to drink on dead heads. Never once heard it was because of a dead head pilot abuser of the drinking policy.
11-18-2019, 09:35 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
I know it’s difficult to believe (sarcasm) but there have been pilots who drank way too much on DH’s.
11-18-2019, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I also know a guy who once drank half of a 3.2 beer on the golf course 7 hours before reporting for a deadhead only duty period riding in the back of an airplane he wasn't qualified to operate. Thank goodness that is now explicitly prohibited.
11-18-2019, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I also know a guy who once drank half of a 3.2 beer on the golf course 7 hours before reporting for a deadhead only duty period riding in the back of an airplane he wasn't qualified to operate. Thank goodness that is now explicitly prohibited.
11-18-2019, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I don't think drinking on deadheads is wise anyway. I don't feel comfortable being intoxicated at work, but whatever floats your boats I guess.
Back when I flew for the "other Delta," we DH'ed to Europe once in a while. I enjoyed a glass of wine or two with the Delta One meal before sleeping. As far as it being "at work," you can also look at it as an employee travelling on business. And they drink.
Now it's gone.
11-18-2019, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
I know it’s difficult to believe (sarcasm) but there have been pilots who drank way too much on DH’s.
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