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Old 11-15-2019 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Yes, that all had an effect. Effectively optimizing NYC. All those decisions were made to enhance the productivity of the base, do you deny that? The commutability system wide is greatly diminished. NYC is the most drastic example. The facts are undeniable and the decisions were made by management.
The current practice of not having West Coast based crews push prior to 0800 is not really about productivity. Not sure how much impact that one factor had but I think it is a good policy.

OBTW it does not apply to reserves so when a LAX guys gets called out to cover an East Coast trip guess what happens? He goes from blocking in on day 1 at 2300 West coast time to a 0130 wake up body-clock on day 3. Ask me how I know.

I doubt this is a major factor and I am not even sure when this policy started but I just wanted to point out there may be some non productivity causes in the commutability declining.

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Old 11-15-2019 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The MadDog decision was made because the fleet is being retired, had Nav issues and Delta was getting hammered with noise complaints. Reducing early East coast departures for west coast crews was a safety decision pushed by the union and long overdue.
There are 4 narrow body fleets in NYC. It has never been an issue to substitute one for another. This was an opportunity to enhance productivity and they did. I don’t blame them for business decisions but those decisions have business consequences and commuting consequences. We know where their priorities lie. This will probably backfire during any major IROP and we will once again swing the pendulum. This is a business decision and the One Delta cost containment will eventually be unraveled to return some reliability. Meanwhile we are the thin whippy end of the whip. QOL always suffers if there are no guardrails.

Also ask yourself why are west coast narrow body pilots in NYC? Productivity. Trans-con flights blocked for 6 hours east bound allow for a second leg to put them in the central time zone. West bound early departure can be done by any other bases in any other time zones. I personally think a base should be able to do it’s own early morning departures but this is NYC and it’s about the change in commutability in the largest commuter base by far. They might have to just get used to it but that is a change for the worse (insert status quo argument here) that affects most of the base and the reliability of the product.

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Old 11-15-2019 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I guess removing a entire fleet that was doing the bulk of the early departures had no effect. I guess increasing block hours from 9000 tp 16,000 to cover that fleet removal had no effect. I guess transitioning early RJ departures to the mainline had no effect. I guess the union pushing the company to reduce or eliminate early departures from the east coast for western pilots had no effect.
The comparison provided used one category that over the two plus years between the months compared had a almost total change in the routes flown and we reduced the ability of the company to cover many early departures with out of base pilots.
With NYC being the largest number of hotel rooms used, just have the 6 and 7 AM departures covered by crews laying over instead of originating. That would provide immense relief.
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Old 11-15-2019 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Too bad we can't do a trial run to see who's right.
I'm good with them shutting down the VB option. It's really just too bad they don't open a base.
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Old 11-20-2019 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The LATAM deal could cause them to look at MIA depending on how network decides to tie the flying together. Short term MCO is the only place that makes sense. Keep in mind that opening a MCO base will cause QOL issues at other bases. The forum assured us of that.
Makes perfect sense. We feed all their heavies there.

And shutting down the VB in MCO the way we did, was a huge tactical mistake.
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Old 11-20-2019 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
I wouldn't expect anything as far as a new base until the contract is figured out...I think the company wants another shot at virtual basing.
IF they do, they won't be stupid enough to give us what they gave us the last time to get it.
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Old 11-20-2019 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I'm good with them shutting down the VB option. It's really just too bad they don't open a base.
Too bad we didn't even let them try before telling them to go **** themselves.
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Old 11-20-2019 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Too bad we didn't even let them try before telling them to go **** themselves.
It goes back further than that. It's too bad that they couldn't do it during the originally negotiated timeline. It's too bad we agreed to extend that timeline.

Also, if they do end up opening a base, we'll look extremely foolish for even negotiating VBs into the PWA.
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Old 11-20-2019 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
It goes back further than that. It's too bad that they couldn't do it during the originally negotiated timeline. It's too bad we agreed to extend that timeline.

Also, if they do end up opening a base, we'll look extremely foolish for even negotiating VBs into the PWA.
This is much closer to reality than where JB is living.
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Old 11-20-2019 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
This is much closer to reality than where JB is living.
So you think negotiating an item (with an escape clause) and then before even TRYING the item, you pull it down and that will be viewed in the future as 'good faith'. Yeah. Real close to reality.
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