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Xray678 01-17-2020 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2958825)
Correct, but WB postings are keeping up with WB retirements. Not all retirements are from WB positions.


I did the math (source, the list of individual retirements from crew resources), between now and end of the conversion period, there are more WB retirements than posted vacancies. That aside, we are not parking widebody aircraft....shouldn’t the postings be keeping up with retirements.....as well as adding staffing for deliveries?

Ps...I’m only looking at A positions.

Baradium 01-17-2020 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2958826)
If you are planning on bidding all 3 of those categories........just bid them in the order you want with any percentage you want. Don't need to over think it. If available you will get it.

Denny

The person you are responding to is a future new hire waiting on a class date, so they are likely looking at what to do when they get the drop option.

gloopy 01-17-2020 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2958711)
I bet there’s gonna be 2 pages of bypasses alone.

Do they have to offer bypasses? At some point it seems like they would save more money calling people's bluff and say 100% of awards will train, go for it cowboy. Bypasses beget bypasses; the more that get them, the more that ask for them. Likewise if they shut it down, I think VERY few pilots would bid a higher hourly rate only paying category (training, loss of relative seniority and perhaps a commute) just for a couple years difference in hourly rates, usually all of which can be made up for in one's current category with their existing relative seniority in the first place.

hvydvr 01-17-2020 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by avi8tor220 (Post 2958876)
Any guesses on junior captain systemwide?

Surprise pick: ATL88A 12,500 off a backfill.

Baradium 01-17-2020 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2958909)
Do they have to offer bypasses? At some point it seems like they would save more money calling people's bluff and say 100% of awards will train, go for it cowboy. Bypasses beget bypasses; the more that get them, the more that ask for them. Likewise if they shut it down, I think VERY few pilots would bid a higher hourly rate only paying category (training, loss of relative seniority and perhaps a commute) just for a couple years difference in hourly rates, usually all of which can be made up for in one's current category with their existing relative seniority in the first place.

They tried that with the A350 launch, few bypasses to try to scare people away from them, some retired in training or after a single OE trip. The problem is that they don't have the training capacity. It really bit them with the A350 last summer. They have the same issue on the other WB fleets now as well, if they don't do enough bypasses they can't train enough pilots to keep up.

tcco94 01-17-2020 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2958908)
The person you are responding to is a future new hire waiting on a class date, so they are likely looking at what to do when they get the drop option.

Should have explained that but yes got the CJO yesterday and just looking at what's the best for a top option to get me to SLC. Sounds like 320/220 are both safe bets. Thanks!

Baradium 01-17-2020 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 2958918)
Should have explained that but yes got the CJO yesterday and just looking at what's the best for a top option to get me to SLC. Sounds like 320/220 are both safe bets. Thanks!

I think 220 might be a bit quicker, but they should both get you there. 737 I would think would end up pretty close to 320 in time to hold SLC. More importantly though, congratulations!

tcco94 01-17-2020 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 2958931)
I think 220 might be a bit quicker, but they should both get you there. 737 I would think would end up pretty close to 320 in time to hold SLC. More importantly though, congratulations!

Great hopefully can hold one of them! I'm towards the bottom on social number...thank you!

m3113n1a1 01-17-2020 01:13 PM

Junior WB FO guesses?

sailingfun 01-17-2020 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2958825)
Correct, but WB postings are keeping up with WB retirements. Not all retirements are from WB positions.

Only about half the retirements come off the widebodies. We even have pilots retire as FO’s.


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