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Originally Posted by bugman61 (Post 2960162)

I wouldn’t be surprised if 717A or 220A drops 1000 numbers on this bid. Being junior in nyc is not for everyone so it doesn’t take a ton of vacancies to get down the list.

I'm not adventurous enough to bid for NYC anything, much less a res CA. It will be interesting to see how low it gets.

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Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 2960240)

I'm not adventurous enough to bid for NYC anything, much less a res CA. It will be interesting to see how low it gets.

Just wait till Boston actually opens and all the NE folks leave NYC. Bet it REALLY gets junior then.

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Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 2960312)

Just wait till Boston actually opens and all the NE folks leave NYC. Bet it REALLY gets junior then.

some of the senior ER commuters I have talked to said they have no interest in going to VA Ave to learn Airbus just so they can be a NB Capt in BOS their last few years.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2960114)

Yes, this bid will generate tremendous movement across all fleets. Even if on this bid they don’t backfill specific positions they will have to be posted on the next bid to be filled unless the category is shrinking. The only category currently shrinking is the MD88.

I missed the shrinking md88 part. Is that both captain and FO and is it just via attrition this bid?

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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2960122)

In theory, there would be backfills for any/all contingent vacancies but CR might limit the number of backfills if excessive training would be generated in other categories leaving to backfill in the ATL717A category. You just don't know what CR was thinking until the award is posted. This one is fairly significant so I would not be surprised if they fail to fill all published vacancies much less honor all/most backfill/contingency vacancies. There will be a-l-o-t of training events generated by this AE. Enjoy the ride!!! 😊

They did say they would backfill ATL 717, I don't think there will be enough 717 training this bid for them to not fulfill that statement.

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Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 2960145)

Also good to know! I'm not expecting to upgrade anytime soon (still ~1000 away from NYC717A) but definitely watching a bit more closely now. Thanks.

Just curious, have you ever commuted to RES? Moreso, have you done it with the 3 airport requirement, NYC weather, NYC airspace, NYC uncommutable trips, and NYC hotel/crashpad costs? I'm not saying it can't be done, but there are reasons NYC NB As are so junior. Also, bidding NYC A with the expectation of moving to a more preferable base in a short period of time is a fool's gambit. Now, if you live in the local area then disregard and good luck!

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Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 2960240)

I'm not adventurous enough to bid for NYC anything, much less a res CA. It will be interesting to see how low it gets.

Ooops, next page, good choice sir. Don't completely rule-out NYC as there are opportunities (think line holding WB B), especially if you're commuting somewhere else anyway. Just go in with your eyes wide open.

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Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2960326)

I missed the shrinking md88 part. Is that both captain and FO and is it just via attrition this bid?

The MD88/90 fleet is in a retirement phase. Not sure how you missed that. They can leave positions unfilled and still remain within contractual rules. All other fleets would require backfill. Backfill does not however have to be on this bid. It can be on a subsequent bid. In the case of the MD88 read the letter attached to the bid. It lays out the current plans for displacements. They may or may not backfill MD88 CA’s depending on several things. They likely will not have bidders to backfill copilot seats so placed openings in the bid to allow new hires. The point of the post was all other fleets must be back filled unless flight ops goes to network and requests a reduction in block hours. That is highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2960346)

There's so much wrong here I don't even know where to begin. I just skimmed the memo and thought perhaps I missed something and asked what should've been a simple question to answer.

I feel like I read somewhere that they could absorb 20-30 88 A’s leaving by manipulating training dates. Any more than that and they will have to backfill.

All those 320 and 73 spots in atl, more than that will bid off the 88 is my guess.

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Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2960351)

There's so much wrong here I don't even know where to begin. I just skimmed the memo and thought perhaps I missed something and asked what should've been a simple question to answer.

What exactly is wrong?