You omitted copilot positions on those aircraft which is a huge omission. Total number of Delta pilots working on the A330/767-400 or larger is about 18% of the list or almost 1 out of 5 pilots. Captains only is 8.1% based on the Aug 2020 staffing forecast. With the planned deliveries the next 5 years the percentage of Delta pilots on the A330/767-400 or larger will be over 25% of the seniority list.

Not really, I specifically said Captains, and it's pretty much the same percentage on the FO side. So ~7-8% are at the top Capt AND FO pay rate. In the very post you quoted I specifically said there are ~20% in the 330/764 and above. None of that changes my point.

Total noob question here.

Looking at, say ATL 717A, there are no vacancies posted. As long as they don't say they won't back-fill that category then presumably as people move up out of 717A then others will move into 717A? And this is the "waterfall" effect everyone talks about?

We carry more copilots than Captains because of the relief pilot.

Yes, this bid will generate tremendous movement across all fleets. Even if on this bid they don’t backfill specific positions they will have to be posted on the next bid to be filled unless the category is shrinking. The only category currently shrinking is the MD88.

Sure, on the 764 and 330, I'm on the 330. A lot of the 777/350 trips are dual crews, so their numbers are nearly the same. DTW350/LAX777 are almost identical. ATL777 has a handful more FOs than Captains. The numbers are still correct.

Not really a "waterfall" but rather more like a small trickle when talking Captain vacancies at the lowest paying NBs. 😊.

In theory, there would be backfills for any/all contingent vacancies but CR might limit the number of backfills if excessive training would be generated in other categories leaving to backfill in the ATL717A category. You just don't know what CR was thinking until the award is posted. This one is fairly significant so I would not be surprised if they fail to fill all published vacancies much less honor all/most backfill/contingency vacancies. There will be a-l-o-t of training events generated by this AE. Enjoy the ride!!! 😊

Thanks, good to know.


Also good to know! I'm not expecting to upgrade anytime soon (still ~1000 away from NYC717A) but definitely watching a bit more closely now. Thanks.

I wouldn’t be surprised if 717A or 220A drops 1000 numbers on this bid. Being junior in nyc is not for everyone so it doesn’t take a ton of vacancies to get down the list.

Currently at 98% on the ER in nyc after 2 years.

I put down 320, 73N, 220, 717 Captain.
As a wildcard, 765 and 330 FO.

Realistic bids are ER ATL if I get xx percent or better.

Schedule cant really get worse I'm already doing mostly coverage days on reserve Actually got a line for February, but that's a fluke and full of uncommutable.

We will see how junior it goes. I seriously doubt it will go below 12,500 but who knows.

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