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11-30-2019 | 03:21 PM

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I’m pretty sure there aren’t 40 widebody CAs retiring a month......

Yep, plenty of narrowbody As and all kinds of senior Bs retiring as well.

11-30-2019 | 03:29 PM

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I can't speak to the last 12 months but there are roughly 170 widebody A's retiring in the next 12 months. That's not counting 7er guys/gals. There are 109 7ER A's in the next 12 months. In that time there are 5-600 retirements total. Also, there are a lot of people retiring that are out sick, so they don't really have to replace them in a category.

11-30-2019 | 03:39 PM

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Keep in mind that retirements for a entire year were accounted for in the 12 months following the big bid closing. They also applied a unplanned attrition factor to those retirements.

11-30-2019 | 04:40 PM

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What I don’t understand is, I’m moving up 35-50 numbers a month on the seniority list, by virtue of retirements, and yet the number of Widebody A openings on the AE’s doesn’t seem to reflect the retirements. Call it 40 a month X 12. If half those retirements were widebody A’s, that’s 240 widebody captains that have left this year. There were quite a few openings on the Jan bid, and then 15 on this last bid. Have there been 240 Widebody captain positions posted this year? And I’m not talking backfills. Straight up posted vacancies only. If there were, that covers attrition only, we’ve taken delivery of several wide bodies this year too. Are the numbers keeping up with attrition? I feel that they haven’t and that’s why I’ve been expecting a big widebody A bid to be coming soon. Nov had 15, so I’m still expecting a big bid in Jan if they want to cover retirements and deliveries for next summer.

No way are half of our retirements widebody As. You sure you're talking about Delta?

11-30-2019 | 05:51 PM

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11-30-2019 | 05:54 PM

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Sailingfun can explain it to you

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12-01-2019 | 06:44 AM

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I’m pretty sure there aren’t 40 widebody CAs retiring a month......

I estimated that half of the 40....20 that were widebody A’s. That would be 240. Someone said 170 widebody A’s were retiring this year so my estimate was still off a ways.

12-01-2019 | 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Keep in mind that retirements for a entire year were accounted for in the 12 months following the big bid closing. They also applied a unplanned attrition factor to those retirements.

So won’t they account for the next years retirements in the next 365 day AE?

12-01-2019 | 07:00 AM

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So won’t they account for the next years retirements in the next 365 day AE?

I don’t remember but I think the big bid last year was in Mar. That means retirements through APR of this year have been bid and awarded. If They post a January bid it should contain positions for planned retirements after 1 May. Depending on their bid plans it might contain positions for every retirement from 1 May to the end of the conversion window. It’s more likely however that they will cover a portion of the retirements and one or two more bids will follow with overlap where they cover the rest.
They state they are not doing a big bid this year. They have however stated that in the past and ignored their own reasoning.

12-01-2019 | 10:51 AM

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I estimated that half of the 40....20 that were widebody A’s. That would be 240. Someone said 170 widebody A’s were retiring this year so my estimate was still off a ways.

I still agree with your premise. I haven’t seen the “widebody growth” reflected in these latest AEs. I’m hoping the next few change my mind....