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02-10-2020, 11:26 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Delta pilots have never been released into a cooling off period. Never.
It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.
It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.
02-10-2020, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
uhhhhhhh. Are you sure about that? As I recall we were within 3 days back in 2001.
A few months later the Northwest flight attendants were in the same boat as Delta pilots and a District court blocked the flight attendants from striking. The decision was then confirmed by the Circuit court unanimously at the same time ALPA was trying to do the same at Comair with pilots.
So to reiterate, the NMB has never released Delta pilots into a cooling off period. Had Delta pilots gone on strike they would have been ordered back to work by the same District court that prevented Northwest flight attendants from going on strike.
02-10-2020, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Yes, 100%. That process was under the US Bankruptcy court and not the NMB.
A few months later the Northwest flight attendants were in the same boat as Delta pilots and a District court blocked the flight attendants from striking. The decision was then confirmed by the Circuit court unanimously at the same time ALPA was trying to do the same at Comair with pilots.
So to reiterate, the NMB has never released Delta pilots into a cooling off period. Had Delta pilots gone on strike they would have been ordered back to work by the same District court that prevented Northwest flight attendants from going on strike.
A few months later the Northwest flight attendants were in the same boat as Delta pilots and a District court blocked the flight attendants from striking. The decision was then confirmed by the Circuit court unanimously at the same time ALPA was trying to do the same at Comair with pilots.
So to reiterate, the NMB has never released Delta pilots into a cooling off period. Had Delta pilots gone on strike they would have been ordered back to work by the same District court that prevented Northwest flight attendants from going on strike.
https://aviationweek.com/delta-pilot...cooling-period
This was in C2K and noting to do with bankruptcy. We were basically 3 days from a PEB as I mentioned above when we reached a TA with Delta.
02-10-2020, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
https://aviationweek.com/delta-pilot...cooling-period
This was in C2K and noting to do with bankruptcy. We were basically 3 days from a PEB as I mentioned above when we reached a TA with Delta.
This was in C2K and noting to do with bankruptcy. We were basically 3 days from a PEB as I mentioned above when we reached a TA with Delta.
Having said that, at the time President Bush said he would order the NWA mechanics back to work at the end of their 30 day cooling period (going on at the same time as C2K negotiations) and everyone expected Bush to do the same with Delta pilots.
02-10-2020, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Yes, 100%. That process was under the US Bankruptcy court and not the NMB.
A few months later the Northwest flight attendants were in the same boat as Delta pilots and a District court blocked the flight attendants from striking. The decision was then confirmed by the Circuit court unanimously at the same time ALPA was trying to do the same at Comair with pilots.
So to reiterate, the NMB has never released Delta pilots into a cooling off period. Had Delta pilots gone on strike they would have been ordered back to work by the same District court that prevented Northwest flight attendants from going on strike.
A few months later the Northwest flight attendants were in the same boat as Delta pilots and a District court blocked the flight attendants from striking. The decision was then confirmed by the Circuit court unanimously at the same time ALPA was trying to do the same at Comair with pilots.
So to reiterate, the NMB has never released Delta pilots into a cooling off period. Had Delta pilots gone on strike they would have been ordered back to work by the same District court that prevented Northwest flight attendants from going on strike.
02-10-2020, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Delta pilots have never been released into a cooling off period. Never.
It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.
It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.
02-10-2020, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Delta pilots have never been released into a cooling off period. Never.
It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.
It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.
02-10-2020, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Released when? Did you see what Frontier was asking for and they could not get released. It was a very modest ask.
I dont know the specifics of Frontier and i wasnt there.
02-11-2020, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
uhhhhhhh. Are you sure about that? As I recall we were within 3 days back in 2001.
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