Funk

I’d expect ANY member of Congress to tell you that they were impressed by (pick your industry advocate). That’s what any good politician will do.

Meow1215

History is filled with people who are “quite influential”, it doesn’t mean they were good leaders or good people. A former ruler of Germany is a great example, that individual was even named Time magazine Person of the Year. Influential? Absolutely. Not that I am comparing the two, just to illustrate that the “Republican” you refer to making that statement is not a valid credential for work actually being done.

Does AFA make statements and actions that align with the Association? Sure, sometimes. But AFA leadership, specifically Ms. Nelson hold some pretty radical viewpoints that very much conflict with my paycheck and QOL factors. So yes, there is issues there from a personal and very much a professional standpoint.

DALFA

What she supports as an individual isn't much of my business as long as it doesn't spill over into "union time". I certainly don't agree with her political views but again...that's her individual beliefs. What I do know is that she has been very beneficial for the flight attendants she represents and she was re-elected a few months ago unanimously by the AFA Board of Directors.

I understand that ALPA is the only AFL-CIO affiliated union that has more registered Republicans than Democrats. As a result of this a majority of ALPA members support a party in congress that would make unions illegal tomorrow if it could as well as making labor relations much more anti-worker with the NMB. It's your choice.

Now...we can keep talking about how the President of AFA is a "progressive" or we can talk about what AFA & ALPA work on together to advance both of our careers and how effective AFA is. Seems to me like there's always some type of excuse with a specific demographic of Delta pilots that would rather be stuck with needles in their eyes rather than support a union for flight attendants.

ItnStln

Source?
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igotgummed

So back to the main topic......which is of course pilots and not FAs.........what a SOLID update!!!!!

theUpsideDown

Im not sure what you meant to say, but heres the thing kiddo. If republicans got rid of unions they wouldnt ALSO make the NMB harder to work with....because thered be no unions. If you mean in lieu of, this has been bandied about for a long time but the RLA and its NMB keep pilots working when the contract should be dead. You wanna see some chaos put pilots under the NRLA and they days of working on a stalled contract are over.

You dont have a solid understanding of the process or what these pilots are complaining about with regard to the AFA. I dont know what youre doing on this web board but if you want to get into these slap fights with bad info as a regular occurence youre going to lose a lot of credibility.

DALFA

First off, don’t call me kiddo. I was out in the workforce when you probably still had diapers on. Second off, you can deflect all you want but the reason the industry as a whole isn’t recovered from all the rounds of bankruptcies is because the NMB has basically said they won’t release any of the major airlines to strike. You can keep deflecting all you want but voting for your friend Mitch and Johnny did absolutely nothing to make it a better negotiating environment. Management is now free to drag on negotiations for years, and you won’t see a single penny extra, because the NMB is as anti-worker as they come.

theUpsideDown

My guess would be you were bouncing around in whatever unnammed limbo workforce while my pilot group got authorization for a strike in the last republican cycle who hated unionized workers. That was after the company had dragged negotiations out. Speaking as a guy who has met an nmb member and volunteered doing heavy lifting for years while you hadnt heard of an organizing drive yet, i have some appreciation for your zeal and why ive held off calling you out in public the last few times you were factually wrong or out of line. Youve gone a little too far and im pretty sure judging from your bizarre non-sequitor reply you arent even keeping track of which user name is replying to you.

Cut the crap, guys on here can disagree with you and still have valid opinions. People vote for a variety of reasons which are at times deeply personal and conflict with their unions goals.

For all the hatred of the NMB the truth is they rarely let the company officers get away with murder doesnt matter who appointed the 3rd member, and the "deep state" workers in the NMB whove kept things together for decades are very helpful to both sides. The company doesnt get to railroad the union or visa versa, though, theres some body checking that wont get called. In the RLA its on the union to be reasonable, there is exactly zero patience for fist pounding on the table or the chest. Be reasonable and play inside the rules and youll get released. As for the nonsense, no one that matters cares.

​​​​​​Nor should they.

sailingfun

Released when? Did you see what Frontier was asking for and they could not get released. It was a very modest ask.

DALFA

Delta pilots have never been released into a cooling off period. Never.

It took several years beyond the amendable date of the contract and failed mediation sessions for Spirit pilots to get released about 10 years ago. That's for a workforce that's 1/10th that of Delta pilots.