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Old 03-30-2020 | 05:34 PM
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The biggest incentive for the company to staff properly is the cost of a GS. If you wanted to reduce furloughs you increase the cost of overtime flying not decrease it. In addition some seem to forget that once a trip has passed through the coverage ladder it goes back to crew tracking for reroute.
Far more important than all of the above is that we will be working under the current contract for a long time unless the company decides to file for release. Any change to current contractual items that would handcuff the company are highly unlikely.
As far as providing GS pay to furloughed pilots I suggested back in 2001 that we take the coming 4% raise and provide every furloughed pilot with 3000 a month on top of cobra. I should see if my old laptop will fire up and dig out some of the emails I received after pushing that idea.
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Old 03-30-2020 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The biggest incentive for the company to staff properly is the cost of a GS. If you wanted to reduce furloughs you increase the cost of overtime flying not decrease it. In addition some seem to forget that once a trip has passed through the coverage ladder it goes back to crew tracking for reroute.
Far more important than all of the above is that we will be working under the current contract for a long time unless the company decides to file for release. Any change to current contractual items that would handcuff the company are highly unlikely.
As far as providing GS pay to furloughed pilots I suggested back in 2001 that we take the coming 4% raise and provide every furloughed pilot with 3000 a month on top of cobra. I should see if my old laptop will fire up and dig out some of the emails I received after pushing that idea.
How common were ACARS and jetbridge IAs during the 2001 furlough period?
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Old 03-30-2020 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I have been very clear in my position on this over the years. If we are going to resort to thuggery to force/shame guys into voluntarily abrogating their seniority, then those that benefit from that thuggery via IAs should NOT be paid extra. Put it in the ****ing contract. If there are furloughs, and no GSs, then no ****ing IAs either.
IA's can be forcably assigned though. As for abrogation make IA's "senior manning" then at 4X pay. If they want the completion factor so bad with pilots out they can pay that small cost.
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Old 03-30-2020 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbineDriver
I keep hearing if the company accepts the bailout money, then they are restricted to only furloughing 10% of the seniority list after Sept 30. Is this true??
They're allowed to "reduce employment levels" by 10% per the loan agreement.

However this is not allowed by the grant.

You should have received Capitol Hill Brief 20-02 from DALPA.
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Old 03-30-2020 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The biggest incentive for the company to staff properly is the cost of a GS..
Fine then the pilot doing it gets 1.25X but the company pays 3X with the difference going to the furloughed pilot relief fund or something.
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Old 03-30-2020 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The biggest incentive for the company to staff properly is the cost of a GS. If you wanted to reduce furloughs you increase the cost of overtime flying not decrease it. In addition some seem to forget that once a trip has passed through the coverage ladder it goes back to crew tracking for reroute.
Far more important than all of the above is that we will be working under the current contract for a long time unless the company decides to file for release. Any change to current contractual items that would handcuff the company are highly unlikely.
As far as providing GS pay to furloughed pilots I suggested back in 2001 that we take the coming 4% raise and provide every furloughed pilot with 3000 a month on top of cobra. I should see if my old laptop will fire up and dig out some of the emails I received after pushing that idea.

Your analysis of manning didn’t get to the root cause of why GS are offered in the first place.
Paying GS is not as expensive as a cancelled flight due to lack of volunteer pilots. Else why would GS be offered?
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Old 03-30-2020 | 06:00 PM
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The point of no GS during furlough is that could be a reserve pilot flying it instead. Even white slips. Self centered to me to pick up. Let them cancel.
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Old 03-30-2020 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
I can’t tell if this is serious. If it is, please provide examples of how people flying on days off doesn’t change manning formulas.
As a former North furloughee, my union assured us all that flying high-time had no effect on pilot staffing....
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Old 03-30-2020 | 09:07 PM
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It seems totally wrong to me in principle if a pilot does a single greenslip with a single person on furlough. Isn’t it just telling the company that they don’t need to bring back pilots because people will staff their flying with premium pickups? Does the union have a stance on this?

I have about 1500 below me and if I’m the company plug I’m not doing a single extra thing until everyone is back on property.
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Old 03-30-2020 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
It seems totally wrong to me in principle if a pilot does a single greenslip with a single person on furlough. Isn’t it just telling the company that they don’t need to bring back pilots because people will staff their flying with premium pickups? Does the union have a stance on this?

I have about 1500 below me and if I’m the company plug I’m not doing a single extra thing until everyone is back on property.
..........unless you get IA’d in the jetway......

What y’all don’t seem to understand is that the Company will get someone to do the flying whether it is a GS or IA or reroute.

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