Totally agree. And you're right...the next displacement bid will show their intent for Q4 and Q1 and Q2 of 2021. What horrible times...just horrible.

 

If they are smart they will make this bid just for the overages of the next 5-6 months. It’s absurd that they are trying to determine staffing for next summer right now. Two years in a row now their prediction is wayyyyyyy off. They need to do a short one and see how this continues to play out over the next few months.

 

I have been very clear in my position on this over the years. If we are going to resort to thuggery to force/shame guys into voluntarily abrogating their seniority, then those that benefit from that thuggery via IAs should NOT be paid extra. Put it in the ****ing contract. If there are furloughs, and no GSs, then no ****ing IAs either.

 

I keep hearing if the company accepts the bailout money, then they are restricted to only furloughing 10% of the seniority list after Sept 30. Is this true??

 

My understand was 10 percent of the workforce, so really any number of pilots as long as the total number is less than 10 percent of 90,000 ie 9,000?

 

Law of unintended consequences. Pilots stop flying GS’s. Now, the only way to ensure skeds can cover early morning trips is to put more guys on SC. Doesn’t move the needle in manning, just makes guys sit max SC every month.

 

This will be unpopular but I agree with JB. I understand the sentiment behind no GSing while pilots are on furlough but just don't know if it's practical. The only way around any controversy over GSing vs IA is to have something contractual which eliminates overtime of any type. This would mean trips getting canceled after going thru the WS and reserve process. I just don't ever see the Company agreeing to this.

Many of you don't seem too upset at the idea of someone getting an IA vs a GS. One is involuntary and the other voluntary. So what? The result is the same and the voluntary guy might even be helping out the involuntary one who didn't want to go out on a trip because of life events (birthday, graduation, wedding etc.).

This is such a slippery slope. I will say this, if the trip is going to be covered one way or another (and not cancelled), I am adamantly against in paying less. We don't want to go there.

Standing by for incoming!

Denny

 

Denny is correct!
-Plus> flying high time/green slips have no effect on pilot manning....

 

I can’t tell if this is serious. If it is, please provide examples of how people flying on days off doesn’t change manning formulas.

 

Lets just try and be patient and wait another 2-3 weeks. Things might look very differently then. 2 weeks ago, March 16, we were discussing notions of millions dead and months of quarantine. No covid treatments, or therapies, mortality rates, or even number of cases were known. Airline stocks were losing 10+% of their value daily, and equity markets were dropping quickly. We were panicked, our bosses were panicked; the future looked grim. Just today, the CNBC talking head suggested that the debate on Wall Street is which of the big 4 airlines will be best positioned to grow and recapture international travel when (not if) it returns. Delta was mentioned by name. Let’s be patient and see what the world looks like in 2 more weeks from now.