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After all these years, I can't believe you are still so resentful of not being hired by DL. Get over it.

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Of course that’s a troll post. The most junior people are in NYC, not ATL for the most part.

 

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23.L.13.d "A crew that is unable to accept a reroute due to an FAR or PWA conflict will contact the Company via ACARS or radio and so advise."

This is directly from the contract under in-flight reroutes. If you're not in-flight, then the only other way to be notified of a reroute is in person from a company representative (i.e. your FO or CA with the same reroute who has acknowledged their rotation and told you about it) or voluntarily acknowledging (i.e. blue MiCrew "Acknowledge" button, iCrew password, or answering your phone)

If you aren't notified, you aren't rerouted.

If you are notified, some examples of PWA violations are:
Tag on (23.L.2.b)
14 hours (23.L.4.Note)
More than one extra duty period (23.L.10)

Fly now, grieve later applies AFTER you tell the company about the violation. If you refuse the reroute, and they knowingly violate the PWA, then you are required to fly the reroute and, if you want, grieve later.

Interestingly, DALPA lists some exceptions to the fly now grieve later policy in the Scheduling Reference Handbook:
I don't know how or why they cherry picked those two exceptions.

Another option if crew tracking denies your denial, is to call your chief pilot or duty pilot. They can't always help, but they will try.

I'm not encouraging a mass denial of reroutes to screw the company. I just want everyone aware of their protections in the PWA.

 

So I just got a notification of next day letter coming via ups from OC I & II users in Atlanta.

This AE related or they just doing the furlough notifications now so on 1OCT they can flush a bunch?

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If you were part of the Jan AE that was cancelled, you're being emailed your cancellation notice. I think it will also have information about your options and what is available for bid for your displacement.

 

Dude, it’s just the AE cancellation notification required by mail per contract.

 

Is this how you react to things in the cockpit?

 

In the 911 furloughs the biggest green slippers were at the bottom of the list. Regardless the flying gets covered. They IA the trips or return them to crew tracking and reroute people into them.

 

By asking what something is or if someone else has seen it?



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I know it is still in the early stages and not trying to overreact. I'm on mil leave until Oct so watching from the sidelines with baited breath and thankful for my timing, but I'm hearing guys are preparing for the worst and the F word...I would hope that if DAL plans to F between now and Oct we would know about that sooner than 30-90 days prior based on the slow motion tragedy unfolding, govt money and no F clause til Sept, financials, etc? Or maybe not. 90 days makes it June and we may be on the backside of the virus attack and hopefully have a company plan for recovery by then as well? Ive read about the post 9/11 outcomes and that seems like it was fairly quick that the company acted. Seems like they arent in a place to act as swiftly now. Mil orders arent as easy to come by now, especially with no major conflict like we had back then. I would rather be proactive and interviewing for other jobs before being formally released with a furlough notification 30 days prior from Delta if that is an option. Any old soldiers with stories to tell?