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Old 05-20-2020 | 01:30 PM
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Ron Allen?
Sheesh, I hate being old! Too many changes in "leadership".
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Old 05-20-2020 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
And DL honors the letter, whereas United and others don't.
what really? did this happen to guys post 9/11? if true that's really a low blow
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Old 05-20-2020 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
what really? did this happen to guys post 9/11? if true that's really a low blow
Short answer...Yes

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Old 05-21-2020 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
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that's good to know. I had been told (albeit by pilots at other airlines) that those letters were always ignored as everyone knew they were written under duress
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Old 05-21-2020 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
that's good to know. I had been told (albeit by pilots at other airlines) that those letters were always ignored as everyone knew they were written under duress
During the last furlough the company would put together furlough outreach meetings. Our then VP of Flight Ops, Joe K, would make it a point to tell all of us that if he gets a letter you will be removed from the seniority list. End of story. If the company does these again do yourself a favor and don’t go. Nothing good comes out of them. The union would send reps to remind you that although you currently aren’t a Delta employee and they can’t do anything to you now if you return from furlough you could have to live with the consequences of anything you might say that day.
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Old 05-21-2020 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
During the last furlough the company would put together furlough outreach meetings. Our then VP of Flight Ops, Joe K, would make it a point to tell all of us that if he gets a letter you will be removed from the seniority list. End of story. If the company does these again do yourself a favor and don’t go. Nothing good comes out of them. The union would send reps to remind you that although you currently aren’t a Delta employee and they can’t do anything to you now if you return from furlough you could have to live with the consequences of anything you might say that day.
was it just one rogue dude or is that the company culture there?
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Old 05-21-2020 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
was it just one rogue dude or is that the company culture there?
Well from what I understand, and I wasn't here during the 90's furlough, Delta did not honor letters of resignation that they received during that time. I guess it didn't set well with some of the companies that had furloughees flying for them when they left. During the post 911 furlough it was said that it was the honorable thing to do.
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Old 05-21-2020 | 05:31 AM
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Many furloughed after 911 subsequently transitioned to a military leave when recalled. Delta then went on to start hiring new hires while these pilots were on MLOA. Later some of these new hires pilots (2007 era) started to advocate to both ALPA and the company if pilots exceeded 5 years cumulative Military Leave, they should be removed from the list.
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Old 05-21-2020 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Many furloughed after 911 subsequently transitioned to a military leave when recalled. Delta then went on to start hiring new hires while these pilots were on MLOA. Later some of these new hires pilots (2007 era) started to advocate to both ALPA and the company if pilots exceeded 5 years cumulative Military Leave, they should be removed from the list.
Not all mil leaves are created equally. A lot of folks grab hold of the 5-year cumulative service under USERRA without looking at the exemptions, for example, contingency orders/deployments. While USERRA does in theory limit folks from dropping years worth of orders to hang out on AGR status in their units, there is nothing to prevent folks from going on back to back deployments or other contingency type operations, there’s literally no time limit in that case.
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Old 05-21-2020 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by beis77
Not all mil leaves are created equally. A lot of folks grab hold of the 5-year cumulative service under USERRA without looking at the exemptions, for example, contingency orders/deployments. While USERRA does in theory limit folks from dropping years worth of orders to hang out on AGR status in their units, there is nothing to prevent folks from going on back to back deployments or other contingency type operations, there’s literally no time limit in that case.
I understand USERRA. It was the fact we had pilots on our seniority list advocating for the termination of other pilots on our list that is chilling.
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