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Old 04-03-2020, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 View Post
If legs cancel after your first flight, are they allowed to do nothing until you report so it all falls under reroute instead of 23k? It seems every rotation on my schedule is broken.
Mine are exactly the same. Day 1, leg 1 shows it’s going as planned. Many legs between that and the last are all canceled. My last trip had that and they ended up cancelling it. It also didn’t have a capt. After they canceled them they didn’t put 23k on my line until I called them after my obligation.

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Old 04-03-2020, 04:34 PM
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I’m screen capturing my schedule and every trip after every change. If it starts to smell funny I just send it to ALPA.
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Old 04-03-2020, 04:47 PM
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My three day rotation already changed once on the first day which I acknowledged. It looks like the second and third days will now be altered as icrew is showing legs cancelled. I start the trip on the 5th. Are they allowed to alter day two and three even if it shortens the trip ?
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Old 04-03-2020, 05:03 PM
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My three day rotation already changed once on the first day which I acknowledged. It looks like the second and third days will now be altered as icrew is showing legs cancelled. I start the trip on the 5th. Are they allowed to alter day two and three even if it shortens the trip ?
They cannot change the trip again until after your first leg. Any further changes to your trip before sign in will be an illegal double 23k.
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My three day rotation already changed once on the first day which I acknowledged. It looks like the second and third days will now be altered as icrew is showing legs cancelled. I start the trip on the 5th. Are they allowed to alter day two and three even if it shortens the trip ?
I don't know. Trying to figure this out myself. Picked up a recovery slip via 23J, on day 2, flight to SJU cancelled. On day 3 supposed to just fly SJU to base. Can they domicile layover me and deadhead me down in morning to fly last flight? Are they supposed to drop whole trip since it is going to change and it's a recovery slip? The trip has to change. What point will they change it? Reading all the ALPA stuff, I feel like they should drop the whole trip and I should stay home. This recovery slip isn't for a week so I have some time. As a commuter, it would be nice to know though. Also have 5 day at end of month that is going to no-op, but hasn't yet. We're used to a structured system. Right now everything's so messed up that MICREW is confused.
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Old 04-03-2020, 06:07 PM
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I understand that but does a 23k assignment count as a reroute? My original schedule had me away from base. That trip would put me at base. I would say yes but I am biased.
Unless we are talking the 23.L.2.a exception, changes due to IROP prior to first leg airborne are 23K...anything that happens after first leg airborne is a reroute.
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Old 04-03-2020, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mesaba13 View Post
My three day rotation already changed once on the first day which I acknowledged. It looks like the second and third days will now be altered as icrew is showing legs cancelled. I start the trip on the 5th. Are they allowed to alter day two and three even if it shortens the trip ?
Since we are not in double 23K situation right now, crew scheds can only modify your rotation once before the first airborne departure.

Once you have the recovery rotation, the only accpetable change that doesn't count 2nd recovery is if crew scheds removes legs from your original rotation and adds a DH, and then changes that DH to a different DH. Otherwise, any other changes are considered subsequent illegal assignments.
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Old 04-04-2020, 05:36 AM
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So the three day rotation was initially revised as I described above. I acknowledged and this morning just got another message in MiCrew of the rotation now Noop. I should be free of obligation now as the modified rotation went noop?

if I go on icrew and select current schedule then select display reserve call status it says short Call at original rotation time for 6 hours?
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Old 04-04-2020, 06:07 AM
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Okay, we've been doing this for a solid week now. Has anyone rolled the dice and not thrown in a RS? If so, was there a call-out? And if there was, was it during the initial 6 hr period? Or was it later? Was it exactly 12 hrs from call to report?

I'd just like to see how this 12 hr policy of RG's plays out in real life.

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Old 04-04-2020, 06:28 AM
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Update : I called scheduling and they said no obligation pay protected.
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