23K/Recovery Questions Thread
04-04-2020, 09:46 AM
#301
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: CannaBus Driver
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by DelDah Capt
Ok, I have an upcoming trip that's been 23k'd and I've acknowledged that. On A day of the original trip, I will commute in to be in place for any recovery flying (the new 12 hour callout really does no good for most commuters in this era of reduced flight frequency) So let's assume that during the 6 hour window after the original report I am assigned recovery that that starts on the morning of B day. Am I correct that under section 5.E.1.c that I am owed a hotel in base and if so, who do I talk to to make that happen
04-05-2020, 06:31 AM
#304
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 336
Originally Posted by DelDah Capt
Ok, I have an upcoming trip that's been 23k'd and I've acknowledged that. On A day of the original trip, I will commute in to be in place for any recovery flying (the new 12 hour callout really does no good for most commuters in this era of reduced flight frequency) So let's assume that during the 6 hour window after the original report I am assigned recovery that that starts on the morning of B day. Am I correct that under section 5.E.1.c that I am owed a hotel in base and if so, who do I talk to to make that happen
i used crew assist to book hotel. Don’t forget you get positive space round trip. Book it under company business.
04-05-2020, 07:37 AM
#305
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 12
23K Carry Out and Bidding
Trying to wrap my head around this and hoping some folks smarter than I can help out. I have a 5 day carry out trip (01-05 May) with 21:00 of credit scheduled into the May bid period. It has already been NOOP'ed and I have a recovery obligation posted for 01 May. I'm trying to figure out how this will affect bidding for May.
-If I bid for a line in May, I assume the 21:00 of credit goes toward my May LCW just as any other regular carry out trip (regardless if/when I complete any recovery flying)?
-If I bid for reserve in May: Normally a carry out trip just counts toward your reserve guarantee and those days count towards on call. Is this still true with the 23K? (i.e. 21:00 towards May's reserve guarantee and the 4 days of the original footprint counted as on call days). Does actual assigned or slipped recovery flying affect that at all? Would it matter if the recovery flying for that trip occur during April or over the original trip footprint?
-Should there be anything pre-posted in PBS (like if I was still was scheduled to fly the carry out trip)? Right now there is nothing pre-posted to indicate I have any 23K credit or obligation into May.
-Any suggestions for the best way to bid for May (line vs. res / where to put X days) and if it makes a difference if I try to complete recovery flying in April or wait to slip or get assigned over the original trip? I feel like there are some nuances here that could come back to bite me. Thanks.
-If I bid for a line in May, I assume the 21:00 of credit goes toward my May LCW just as any other regular carry out trip (regardless if/when I complete any recovery flying)?
-If I bid for reserve in May: Normally a carry out trip just counts toward your reserve guarantee and those days count towards on call. Is this still true with the 23K? (i.e. 21:00 towards May's reserve guarantee and the 4 days of the original footprint counted as on call days). Does actual assigned or slipped recovery flying affect that at all? Would it matter if the recovery flying for that trip occur during April or over the original trip footprint?
-Should there be anything pre-posted in PBS (like if I was still was scheduled to fly the carry out trip)? Right now there is nothing pre-posted to indicate I have any 23K credit or obligation into May.
-Any suggestions for the best way to bid for May (line vs. res / where to put X days) and if it makes a difference if I try to complete recovery flying in April or wait to slip or get assigned over the original trip? I feel like there are some nuances here that could come back to bite me. Thanks.
04-05-2020, 08:56 AM
#306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 1 step fwd 2 steps back
Posts: 212
Originally Posted by CoyoteFlyer
Trying to wrap my head around this and hoping some folks smarter than I can help out. I have a 5 day carry out trip (01-05 May) with 21:00 of credit scheduled into the May bid period. It has already been NOOP'ed and I have a recovery obligation posted for 01 May. I'm trying to figure out how this will affect bidding for May.
-If I bid for a line in May, I assume the 21:00 of credit goes toward my May LCW just as any other regular carry out trip (regardless if/when I complete any recovery flying)?
-If I bid for reserve in May: Normally a carry out trip just counts toward your reserve guarantee and those days count towards on call. Is this still true with the 23K? (i.e. 21:00 towards May's reserve guarantee and the 4 days of the original footprint counted as on call days). Does actual assigned or slipped recovery flying affect that at all? Would it matter if the recovery flying for that trip occur during April or over the original trip footprint?
-Should there be anything pre-posted in PBS (like if I was still was scheduled to fly the carry out trip)? Right now there is nothing pre-posted to indicate I have any 23K credit or obligation into May.
-Any suggestions for the best way to bid for May (line vs. res / where to put X days) and if it makes a difference if I try to complete recovery flying in April or wait to slip or get assigned over the original trip? I feel like there are some nuances here that could come back to bite me. Thanks.
-If I bid for a line in May, I assume the 21:00 of credit goes toward my May LCW just as any other regular carry out trip (regardless if/when I complete any recovery flying)?
-If I bid for reserve in May: Normally a carry out trip just counts toward your reserve guarantee and those days count towards on call. Is this still true with the 23K? (i.e. 21:00 towards May's reserve guarantee and the 4 days of the original footprint counted as on call days). Does actual assigned or slipped recovery flying affect that at all? Would it matter if the recovery flying for that trip occur during April or over the original trip footprint?
-Should there be anything pre-posted in PBS (like if I was still was scheduled to fly the carry out trip)? Right now there is nothing pre-posted to indicate I have any 23K credit or obligation into May.
-Any suggestions for the best way to bid for May (line vs. res / where to put X days) and if it makes a difference if I try to complete recovery flying in April or wait to slip or get assigned over the original trip? I feel like there are some nuances here that could come back to bite me. Thanks.
04-05-2020, 12:15 PM
#307
Rerouted On Weekends
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 717A
Posts: 2,937
Originally Posted by DARR31
Thanks for asking this as I have the same question. Plus on the bottom of my schedule it says “CXL NO REPLACE APR-MAY TRANS NO RECOVERY”. Hopefully we can find something out before bidding!
04-05-2020, 01:43 PM
#308
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: I got into this business so I wouldn't have to work.
Posts: 1,034
Originally Posted by dc10guy
Don’t forget you get positive space round trip. Book it under company business.
Because all the Delta flights from my home to my base are showing "SOLD OUT" on the Delta APP. Now I can get on one of those "SOLD OUT" flights, no problem.
/SARC
04-05-2020, 02:27 PM
#309
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 1 step fwd 2 steps back
Posts: 212
Originally Posted by Jaww
The trip was dropped prior to the May bid being posted. Therefore you have no obligation for 23K in May and also no rotation guarantee for the May portion. Totally legit.
04-05-2020, 03:12 PM
#310
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,504
Apologies in advance as I’m sure this has been answered but can a rotation be adjusted to show an earlier report for day 1? My report for day 1 of my rotation has changed 30 min earlier when I view the rotation in icrew.
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