April Adjustment Entitlement (AE)
04-17-2020, 11:26 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by HTBH
How about Section 21.B.9.a? Thoughts on them putting that to use?
With regard to things included under the "can't control" clause, "natural disaster" is listed
Under things that do not fall under the "can't control" clause, "state of the economy"
Which category COVID-19 falls under is up to the judge....your guess is as good as mine
04-17-2020, 12:34 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by gzsg
IMO we will get 350-400 take an early out.
04-17-2020, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Yeah. Unfortunately furlough pay is only for 6 months. It's in our PWA. 1 month of furlough pay for every year of service with the company. 6 months is the max. It's about $12k per month for a 12 year guy. 55 hours as a 737 FO is less than $11k per month.
04-17-2020, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bender
Correct. To add on, if Delta claims this was out of their control then it's down to a maximum of 2 months furlough pay.
Two months at the lowest pay rate in service no less. And how can anyone claim that this is within Delta’s control? Especially when all the other majors are furloughing at the same time.
04-17-2020, 02:39 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
Two months at the lowest pay rate in service no less. And how can anyone claim that this is within Delta’s control? Especially when all the other majors are furloughing at the same time.
04-17-2020, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
But with them not taking all available help from the government it makes it hard to believe that they did all that they could either
04-17-2020, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
Two months at the lowest pay rate in service no less. And how can anyone claim that this is within Delta’s control? Especially when all the other majors are furloughing at the same time.
04-17-2020, 04:56 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I still don’t see a good business model for any furloughs the way their feet are moving.
Between now and the end of 2022 1868 will retire.
If furloughs start paying off at 24 months and we furlough October 1, 2020 the company would have to imagine we are over by more than 1800.
That would put us below 13,000 pilots system wide.
I'm confident we will need more than 13,000 pilots for 2022 summer flying.
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04-17-2020, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
I agree
Between now and the end of 2022 1868 will retire.
If furloughs start paying off at 24 months and we furlough October 1, 2020 the company would have to imagine we are over by more than 1800.
That would put us below 13,000 pilots system wide.
I'm confident we will need more than 13,000 pilots for 2022 summer flying.
Between now and the end of 2022 1868 will retire.
If furloughs start paying off at 24 months and we furlough October 1, 2020 the company would have to imagine we are over by more than 1800.
That would put us below 13,000 pilots system wide.
I'm confident we will need more than 13,000 pilots for 2022 summer flying.
04-18-2020, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Maybe having a few of those buyback $$s as an emergency fund to withstand a 9/11 style event would have been prudent. So, yes, technically a virus is not in their control, but how we weather it is definitely in our control. Was 9/11 in our control? Oil at $140/barrel?
I couldn’t agree more, but I don’t see being able to make that argument stick from a contract language standpoint. The buybacks were a business decision that very few business people found imprudent. In light of that fact, I don’t think hindsight will be a factor when applying the contract language.
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