Pilots bad. Pilots greedy. Union bad.
#41
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If things are as bad as predicted, the pilots cannot save the company. We tried previously in a much smaller economic crisis and failed. All we are doing is positioning for bankruptcy. My responsibility to provide for my family comes before delaying the inevitable. Would you rather work 6 months for current min guarantee or 7 mos under concessions knowing the endpoint is the same regardless.
We tried saving the company for the last 4 years by opposing the financially negligent buybacks. I’m done trying...
We tried saving the company for the last 4 years by opposing the financially negligent buybacks. I’m done trying...
not disagreeing with your logic, just curious how big a threat BK actually is at the moment to labor ( liquidation aside)
#44
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That's exactly where I am. I'm not taking the companys actions personally, just business. Same for me. Hope the company survives, really think it will. Me taking a pay cut aint gunna be the thing that does it. My primary responsibility is to my family.
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Because lower ALVs mean less take home pay for pilots, who are still working, albeit less than normal, just like the workers now working 3-4 day weeks. They can relate and don't see a special "good deal" for pilots vs them.
The SILs are PLOAs that pay 2/3 of a months salary while owing zero obligation to the company....just like the company granted thousands of similar PLOAs to the noncons.... for zero pay.
Surely you see the difference?
Nevertheless the company should have offered the SILs for May. It was a huge mistake not to. Surely in all that Delta public relations world they could have spun it well enough (and truthfully enough) to placate the noncons. We don't have to be in their face (no need to yell "get a union!") but something as simple as "we made a deal with the pilots on extreme short notice, our fleet complexity and FAA requirements make a comparison between pilots and others groups impossible, we'll reassess in a month, blah blah" would have gone a long way. The fact the company didn't even try, and didn't get any metrics (and we are a data obsessed company, normally) is troubling.
The SILs are PLOAs that pay 2/3 of a months salary while owing zero obligation to the company....just like the company granted thousands of similar PLOAs to the noncons.... for zero pay.
Surely you see the difference?
Nevertheless the company should have offered the SILs for May. It was a huge mistake not to. Surely in all that Delta public relations world they could have spun it well enough (and truthfully enough) to placate the noncons. We don't have to be in their face (no need to yell "get a union!") but something as simple as "we made a deal with the pilots on extreme short notice, our fleet complexity and FAA requirements make a comparison between pilots and others groups impossible, we'll reassess in a month, blah blah" would have gone a long way. The fact the company didn't even try, and didn't get any metrics (and we are a data obsessed company, normally) is troubling.
#46
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Do you believe any of the cost cutting steps are relevant to saving the company?
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My answer is no, full disclosure. I think they are maneuvering for a better position pre-BK and post BK. I’m already looking at moving to a new job that has been offered.
#49
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I have a theory that he is the new Joe K. For those of you that weren't here during 911 and then BK at the beginning we had Dave B as our SVP of flight ops. Good guy and apparently didn't want to toe the company line in regard to furloughs and other issues. He gets booted and we get Joe K. An office guy from the word go and very little time actually flying the line. Came in as the hatchet man and made himself quite the reputation for it. Doesn't anyone else think it's kinda weird that Jim G. steps sideways (I don't think his new job is either up or down) and we get a non pilot as SVP of flight ops just in time for this show?
#50
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isn't a condition of the CARES act that 1113(c) filings cannot happen for 10 years after a company takes the bailout, or did that not make the final cut?
not disagreeing with your logic, just curious how big a threat BK actually is at the moment to labor ( liquidation aside)
not disagreeing with your logic, just curious how big a threat BK actually is at the moment to labor ( liquidation aside)
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