Noworkallplay

I don't have a dog in the fight however, whats with the guys/gals not even eligible saying “I would take it if I was in their shoes” or “I bet those not willing to take it are already on my no fly list”. News flash young group. You have no clue the amount of set back the group thats over 62 have taken in their retirements the past 15 years. You have no clue if you would take it unless you are 62+ and have the ability to look at what you have in retirement accounts. I find it pathetic that you would have some on the furlough line degrading anyone not willing to take this huge pay cut called “an early retirement”.

Buck Rogers

Hate to tell you this gramps, but...... like, you are, like, just a Boomer man. You think I haven't had to endure, like, hardships too? Why I had to drive a used BMW that my parents gave me to, like, school and they cut my monthly allowance to, like, $1000. I've had problems too Ya know?

And if you stay, and don't do your, like, civic duty and, like, leave......I am gonna put you on, like, my "Do not fly list". I'll show you.

Denny Crane

You can get a good idea of the demographics of who posts on APC by this poll....

Denny

Buck Rogers

I find this pretty true.

It also begs the question, are they just "Rebels without a cause" or so enlightened with critical thinking that old guys can't keep up or are they just plain naive and lack perspective?

I will add, that the number of posters is prolly only 1/10 of the lurkers. If the vocal minority thinks they speak for the vast majority IMO that would be fallacious

notEnuf

I’m in the not eligible but I’m in the polls “would take” numbers. I voted because it’s an anonymous internet poll and that’s the category I thought applied to me. There’s no slight on my part and I think this is a good way to separate the wheat from the chaff. I hope a lot of people take it. That is self serving but I also think they deserve it. The opportunity I mean. Many planned for age 60 this gives income that may make that a reality or closer to a reality. If it doesn’t work for you, you are under no obligation to do it.

I’d be sharpening a few pencils and spending some money for a financial planner to go over it in detail and then make a decision. For me at 58 it would work (not there yet) so I can only hope for something like this when I’m ready. Unfortunately an early out is only offered to reduce staffing costs and that means the company isn’t in the best financial health. I doubt I will have the opportunity and hoping for it seems like wishing ill on my employer. This is not restoring a retirement but it’s something. It’s not my place to have an opinion on individuals willingness to opt for this, but recognize it as an opportunity.

Wolf424

What’s wrong with giving the opinion of “I’d take it if I was X years old”?

As a guy anticipating my WARN notification this week, it doesn’t matter one bit to me if an old hat wants to take the EO or not. I’m a QOL person, so if I was 60+, I think I would take it simply because I value time at home to do things I enjoy other than flying. But that’s me. I’m not 60+ and I’m not in anyone else’s situation other than my own.

Standing on the grass yelling for me to get off your lawn via a lecture with condescending words such as “news flash” isn’t going to help me understand why those eligible would or wouldn’t. It’s their choice to make either way, but you undercut the rationale to young guys by simply saying “you don’t understand” and saying all young guys are “pathetic”. Instead, explain it in an unemotional way so that young guys can understand. Painting us all with a wide brush because one guy on an anonymous forum said he didn’t want to fly with someone is a bit extreme.

Wilbur Wright

Seriously. I will sign up for the EO, but at the moment I'm leaning towards revoking it depending on my separation date and how confident I am of Delta avoiding bankruptcy.

I know taking the EO will reduce my income, but I also need to calculate my effective hourly rate for flying those hours above 58 and weigh that.

block30

Agree with this. Pretty much everyone on the seniority list now has had major stagnation, furlough, down grade, been shot at, flew clapped out old freight dog birds in the weather, etc...its the crew at the regionals now that went from fancy part 141 school to a regional at 21, upgrade at 23 that I reckon he is yelling at....and again, that ain't us.

Its the folks who got their first flying job 2016 and later that have had a meteoric rise. I'm not picking fights with them, it is what it is. Certainly now they are facing the first real headwinds....and shoot, at least for now, it looks like Endeavor is not going to furlough. (I dont know about the other regionals.)

Buck Rogers

Maybe this will help.

I can work an average of 16 days a month and make $16,000 per month more than taking the ER package. So, the choice is work at a job that is enjoyable for $1,000 day average and delay PBGC for 2 years increasing my PBGC payout by $18,000 per year for every year that I collect. Or retire early and forego that to have more time off. Money and time off are analagous in trying to quantify how much is enough.

Guys that are in furlough jeopardy talk about being a truck driver( maybe $300-$400 a day and not near as enjoyable) or going back into the military full time for maybe about $500 day. Or sim instructor $400 day. So, $$$ wise staying at Delta pays way more than that.

I think younger guys are pretty flippant in their response as to taking the ER if only they were eligible.

MOTOJOE

Don’t think for a minute your any safer in BK still on the property. Congress is now working on a bill to not let companies kill contracts in BK. Hopefully that passes