Delta declines CARES act Money
09-14-2020, 10:00 AM
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While you all are clearing things up for me.....I'm not quite understanding the UNA's being miffed about the latest bid. Wouldn't it be advantageous to stay UNA....have no obligation and still get paid? At least for a large majority of the UNA pilots. Might hinder getting a base and force you to commute on a subsequent bid, is that the rub? Also aren't UNA's getting ALV or are they only getting 50 hrs at lowest paying eqpt?
It certainly won't affect the order of furloughs since that will be straight inverse seniority(whether you hold a BES or are UNA....so that's not it
It certainly won't affect the order of furloughs since that will be straight inverse seniority(whether you hold a BES or are UNA....so that's not it
09-14-2020, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Didn't it also include seat(s) on the board of directors also? I like the provisions of what you stated earlier, but I don't think it is my best interest as an employee to let the government have a say on running a business (JMHO)
THX for the replies....this 240 is making this a little cumbersome My apologies...losing a little in the 240 lockout
THX for the replies....this 240 is making this a little cumbersome My apologies...losing a little in the 240 lockout
09-14-2020, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
While you all are clearing things up for me.....I'm not quite understanding the UNA's being miffed about the latest bid. Wouldn't it be advantageous to stay UNA....have no obligation and still get paid? At least for a large majority of the UNA pilots. Might hinder getting a base and force you to commute on a subsequent bid, is that the rub? Also aren't UNA's getting ALV or are they only getting 50 hrs at lowest paying eqpt?
It certainly won't affect the order of furloughs since that will be straight inverse seniority(whether you hold a BES or are UNA....so that's not it
It certainly won't affect the order of furloughs since that will be straight inverse seniority(whether you hold a BES or are UNA....so that's not it
Then the results came out and those UNAcorns that had bids in got re-intstated.....this initially angered those UNAcorns that didn't bid because they felt they were passed over....it also caused those that got re-instated to think they were now saved from the furloughs because they got pulled from the UNA pool.
Top it off, company answer was "sorry...we couldn't figure out how to get our DOS computer to run the AE and excluded you guys, so we just ran it as if 1 Oct didn't exist"....but at least they didn't tell us before hand our names would show up on the results, which would have gone a long way on the expectations management front.
09-14-2020, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I have not heard anything about seats on the BOD, ill look into that. I missed it earlier but I think that another requirement is keeping 90% of the March 24, 2020 workforce. Not sure if that means they could still lay off 10% of that number of since more that 10% retired of if they would be ineligible to furlough.
09-14-2020, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
I believe the issue is we UNAcorns were told we were excluded from the AE, so many did not bid.
Then the results came out and those UNAcorns that had bids in got re-intstated.....this initially angered those UNAcorns that didn't bid because they felt they were passed over....it also caused those that got re-instated to think they were now saved from the furloughs because they got pulled from the UNA pool.
Top it off, company answer was "sorry...we couldn't figure out how to get our DOS computer to run the AE and excluded you guys, so we just ran it as if 1 Oct didn't exist"....but at least they didn't tell us before hand our names would show up on the results, which would have gone a long way on the expectations management front.
Then the results came out and those UNAcorns that had bids in got re-intstated.....this initially angered those UNAcorns that didn't bid because they felt they were passed over....it also caused those that got re-instated to think they were now saved from the furloughs because they got pulled from the UNA pool.
Top it off, company answer was "sorry...we couldn't figure out how to get our DOS computer to run the AE and excluded you guys, so we just ran it as if 1 Oct didn't exist"....but at least they didn't tell us before hand our names would show up on the results, which would have gone a long way on the expectations management front.
Yes, I think I understand this much. But it will not affect the order of the furloughs , I think we can all agree. So, wouldn't it be better to stay UNA and get paid for no obligation....IOW isn't this maybe a better deal? (obviously I'm not an UNA,.. just trying to understand)
Of course if you could overfly above the ALV plus 15 it might economically harm the more senior UNA pilot
09-14-2020, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Yes, I think I understand this much. But it will not affect the order of the furloughs , I think we can all agree. So, wouldn't it be better to stay UNA and get paid for no obligation....IOW isn't this maybe a better deal? (obviously I'm not an UNA,.. just trying to understand)
Of course if you could overfly above the ALV plus 15 it might economically harm the more senior UNA pilot
Of course if you could overfly above the ALV plus 15 it might economically harm the more senior UNA pilot
09-14-2020, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Well yes...but the point is why did the Co jerk all those UNAs around like this? And their excuse is we couldn't reprogram our 1980s computer to not include the UNAs in the award? From a multi-billion dollar corporation that flies aircraft all over the world?
09-14-2020, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Well yes...but the point is why did the Co jerk all those UNAs around like this? And their excuse is we couldn't reprogram our 1980s computer to not include the UNAs in the award? From a multi-billion dollar corporation that flies aircraft all over the world?
09-14-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Well yes...but the point is why did the Co jerk all those UNAs around like this? And their excuse is we couldn't reprogram our 1980s computer to not include the UNAs in the award? From a multi-billion dollar corporation that flies aircraft all over the world?
09-14-2020, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Sorry, not trying to be dense. Personally, I love it when the company jerks me around....IF....I work less and/or make more $$. So, aside from the emotional "getting jerked around", is this actually a good deal for most of the UNA's? If not, why not?
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