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Old 09-27-2020, 06:26 PM
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What's Endeavor?
I think its one of the alaskan regionals? Flies Avros, those 5 apu RJs
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:01 PM
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i saw a post on the book face where the OP posted about JL becoming COO and JG moving over to be CEO of Endeavor. A pilot (ATL based Capt) jumped on and asked who JL and JG were.
Who’s taking over flight ops?
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Who’s taking over flight ops?
I believe the big Laugh is keeping it and getting additional duties.
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF View Post
i saw a post on the book face where the OP posted about JL becoming COO and JG moving over to be CEO of Endeavor. A pilot (ATL based Capt) jumped on and asked who JL and JG were.
I know this may sound stupid but his title on that memo was Chief of Operations and is that the same as COO (Chief Operating Officer)?

It doesn’t seem that the actual COO would also run flight ops but these are interesting times.
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Originally Posted by Planetrain View Post
Who’s taking over flight ops?
Originally Posted by ppping View Post
I believe the big Laugh is keeping it and getting additional duties.
JL is keeping Flt Ops.
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Old 09-28-2020, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by EDVPLT View Post
I know this may sound stupid but his title on that memo was Chief of Operations and is that the same as COO (Chief Operating Officer)?

It doesn’t seem that the actual COO would also run flight ops but these are interesting times.
I'm not completely versed in the nuiances of the C-suite naming conventions, so you might be right. And i agree the COO position seems important enough to not have an additioanl duty of running Flt Ops.

I just know Ed's memo started with "with Gil's departure" and the very next sentence is JL will become Chief of Ops, knowing that Gil was the COO, I just assumed Chief of Ops and COO were synonymous

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Old 09-28-2020, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by D B Cooper View Post
What's Endeavor?
Isn't that part of ASA? That commuter with the turboprops? ;-)
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Old 09-28-2020, 01:06 PM
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So for all you people afraid that these voluntary measures are going to force you to fly or sit SC more, that's going to happen no matter what. The company is going to right-size staffing either through voluntary measures or furloughs. From today's negotiators notepad:

Q: “Is this LOA going to allow people to sit at home while non-volunteers sit more short calls/fly more?”

A: No. The excess staffing that is allowing fewer-than-normal short calls is an artifact of excess staffing permitted by the CARES Act. If those restrictions are removed, it is likely that excess staffing levels will be reduced. Pilots will become unavailable, whether it's because of a blank line, ULC reserve, sick leave, or furlough. When that occurs, excess staffing will be eliminated, and staffing will normalize prompting a return to normal reserve and short call utilization rates. Additionally, if SILs were utilized, those pilots would also be unavailable for reserve and short call assignments causing the same result as the voluntary measures within this LOA.
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So for all you people afraid that these voluntary measures are going to force you to fly or sit SC more, that's going to happen no matter what. The company is going to right-size staffing either through voluntary measures or furloughs. From today's negotiators notepad:

Q: “Is this LOA going to allow people to sit at home while non-volunteers sit more short calls/fly more?”

A: No. The excess staffing that is allowing fewer-than-normal short calls is an artifact of excess staffing permitted by the CARES Act. If those restrictions are removed, it is likely that excess staffing levels will be reduced. Pilots will become unavailable, whether it's because of a blank line, ULC reserve, sick leave, or furlough. When that occurs, excess staffing will be eliminated, and staffing will normalize prompting a return to normal reserve and short call utilization rates. Additionally, if SILs were utilized, those pilots would also be unavailable for reserve and short call assignments causing the same result as the voluntary measures within this LOA.
You are saying a furloughed 220b pilot will affect the staffing level on 350A? Please, go on.
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Old 09-28-2020, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
So for all you people afraid that these voluntary measures are going to force you to fly or sit SC more, that's going to happen no matter what. The company is going to right-size staffing either through voluntary measures or furloughs. From today's negotiators notepad:

Q: “Is this LOA going to allow people to sit at home while non-volunteers sit more short calls/fly more?”

A: No. The excess staffing that is allowing fewer-than-normal short calls is an artifact of excess staffing permitted by the CARES Act. If those restrictions are removed, it is likely that excess staffing levels will be reduced. Pilots will become unavailable, whether it's because of a blank line, ULC reserve, sick leave, or furlough. When that occurs, excess staffing will be eliminated, and staffing will normalize prompting a return to normal reserve and short call utilization rates. Additionally, if SILs were utilized, those pilots would also be unavailable for reserve and short call assignments causing the same result as the voluntary measures within this LOA.
That and many other parts of the NN are complete nonsense. There is no limit on how many ULC's are awarded. The company could award enough to create staffing well below normal levels to save money. Normal reserves would pick up the slack on short calls and flying. It would be like summer staffing levels on steroids all year round. There is now way to know what staffing levels would be with SILs because they never were going to be used and aren't even an option any more. What do they have to do with this discussion?

This just about as absurd as their statement that: "However, based on participation in the voluntary measures available under LOA #20-03, those 220 pilots would remain active and pilots who are on furlough may return to active status sooner than they would have otherwise." How on earth can they make this claim? Nowhere in the agreement does it state that. That falls under that category of wishful thinking. The 220 will be out on the street before the programming is even done on these cost saving measures.
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