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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
(Post 3150794)
It was definitely a jab at the DAL pilots. It’s laughable if you don’t think that.....
I’d propose maybe using years of service as the metric for these two groups. For example, I think a DL retiree with 30 yrs service should have priority over an active EDV pilot with 10 years service. But, the 10 year EDV pilot would have priority over a 5 year DAL S3B. Just a thought. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Travel net checkin issues still abound. They can’t even given the voluntary lines away yet because of IT. I could go on and on. Though your proposal has merits, I think I will not hold my breath. |
As a 9E guy, I'm not going to involve myself in the bad politics going on between DALPA and management. That being said, the decision to give S3A status to us was due to the fact that we had double digit pilots who were unable to commute to work every day because they were being bumped by delta employees enjoying their retirement benefits.
I am 100% for you guys and us being able to enjoy the fruits of our +20 year careers, but the "free" tickets only last as long as Delta makes money. I don't have to tell you how hard it is to run an efficient operation when you have tons of crew members who aren't able to get into position. Pilots didn't make the decision to give 9E S3A and for some reason we still catch flack for stuff we don't have control over. Lest we forget It was Delta pilots that voted many years ago to allow for our existence. |
Originally Posted by Drum
(Post 3150788)
Nothing in life is fair. If you want fair, I suggest you move to Venezuela, everyone there is equally starving in total fairness to all.
The S3A to EDV was a spiteful jab at this Delta pilot group - nothing more. |
Respectfully, I think it is in poor taste to consider 9E folks unworthy of S3A by casting them aside as “contract labor.” Every day, they make meaningful contributions to the success of the system as a whole. Many use the pass to commute. IMHO getting to and from home trumps leisure any day. Leisure travel for active folks of either pedigree should also take the enhanced priority as their sometimes limited days off confine the ability to be as flexible as a retiree could be.
If years of service your benchmark for this argument, then why shouldn’t retirees go ahead of the active junior S3 too? |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3150802)
how was it a jab at pilots? Retirees, yeah it was a kick at ALL retirees, but I fail to see how this was designed as a poke in the eye specific to pilots?!?!
The S3A retiree vacation passes work that way, I personally think this is a great compromise. I’m guessing Cog has a DOH before just about every endeavor employee and could have used that as a way to go ahead of them. But (and this is a serious question, not rhetorical) why should an active employee who exclusively works for delta go behind someone who has no current affiliation to DL? |
Originally Posted by Then As Filed
(Post 3150816)
Respectfully, I think it is in poor taste to consider 9E folks unworthy of S3A by casting them aside as “contract labor.” Every day, they make meaningful contributions to the success of the system as a whole. Many use the pass to commute. IMHO getting to and from home trumps leisure any day. Leisure travel for active folks of either pedigree should also take the enhanced priority as their sometimes limited days off confine the ability to be as flexible as a retiree could be.
If years of service your benchmark for this argument, then why shouldn’t retirees go ahead of the active junior S3 too? |
Originally Posted by Cogf16
(Post 3150818)
Because they are NOT DELTA EMPLOYEES. As Endeavor employees, they already get access to a massive, international network to NonRev, not just their regional network. That's a big enough windfall
not trying to be a Richard, but they are not just another airline with little affiliation to us. They exclusively fly delta passengers on delta owned planes in and out of delta hubs all day long and have no other affiliation with any other airline. If we focus on section 1 of the contract and bring that flying back that would be the best way to solve this problem IMO but that is another discussion for another day. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3150824)
you are acting like we are letting a spirit jumpseater go ahead of retirees. Endeavor employees contribute to the operation that allowed us to have an airline to fly on
not trying to be a Richard, but they are not just another airline with little affiliation to us. They exclusively fly delta passengers on delta owned planes in and out of delta hubs all day long and have no other affiliation with any other airline. If we focus on section 1 of the contract and bring that flying back that would be the best way to solve this problem IMO but that is another discussion for another day. Just MEM-NYC or DTW-NYC a couple pos space tickets wouldnt matter. But you had jax, orf, bos, mco, fll, and a lot of bigger dollar cities missing double digits of seats on EDV pos space when there weren't any spaces to spare... Delta made a business decision and left the retirees out in the cold. It was either upgauge for non revs trying to goto work to make delta money or get the EDV guys on. That is getting forgotten pretty quickly in all this. |
Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 3150793)
I operate out of a 9E nest, with the limited space avail. I have been flying Allegiant to avoid the "Bye,bye" wave at the gate.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3150802)
how was it a jab at pilots? Retirees, yeah it was a kick at ALL retirees, but I fail to see how this was designed as a poke in the eye specific to pilots?!?!
The S3A retiree vacation passes work that way, I personally think this is a great compromise. I’m guessing Cog has a DOH before just about every endeavor employee and could have used that as a way to go ahead of them. But (and this is a serious question, not rhetorical) why should an active employee who exclusively works for delta go behind someone who has no current affiliation to DL? If you don’t believe a Delta Pilot retiree has an affiliation with DL then I don’t know what to tell you other than I believe you are wrong. If there was no affiliation then there would be no pass benefits etc. Denny Edit: I got no problem with EDV pilots using this to get to/from work. It’s the rest of it that bothers me. |
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