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I’m ok with the S3A for 9E employee going to/from work, not their families.
If they are traveling with other family members, they can go behind our retirees and parents. |
Originally Posted by PilotBases
(Post 3151454)
For reference, it’s not 300 at EDV that beat retirees, it’s any EDV employee (S3A v S3B). The 300 would be if retirees would be brought up to S3A, how many EDV employees would still be ahead of them.
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Originally Posted by Catboatsailor
(Post 3151452)
apples to oranges. Skywest isn’t wholly owned by United. DAL Pilots are contractual pilots for Delta Air Lines Inc. 9E pilots are contractual pilots for Delta Air Lines Inc. Same payroll department, same fidelity 401k, same managers, etc. But different PWA’s. We’re just fortunate that our PWA has some control over their size and scope. But we are no different. In a managements ideal world every fleet would have a separate seniority list. They’ve somewhat achieved this with the regionals and JV’s.
Those retirees sold scope to better their careers. Now they complain that the red-headed stepchild, they helped create, is affecting them in retirement? I have zero sympathy. Our soon to be furloughed pilots could be flying those CRJ’s. Better than being on the street. But egos got in the way. But the retirees need a scapegoat. The 300 employees at 9E make for a great boogie man. IMHO if it wasn’t in the PWA when they retired they’re complaints are meritless. EDV non-rev go behind delta retire. If you are active EDV employee and need to get to work, then use your commuter clause. Simple. |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3151483)
My comparisons are the crux of the issue at hand. EDV is not Delta. Sorry.
EDV non-rev go behind delta retire. If you are active EDV employee, then use your commuter clause. Simple. 1) endeavor and delta are both part of the same company, OO and United are two completely different companies, same with WN and FDX. Endeavor is part of the same company we are, we are just different subsidiaries. 2) the reason they changed it was because retirees were bumping active employees trying to get to work and delta was spending $$$ to buy active employees a seat so retirees could travel. (like it or not from delta’s perspective endeavor are active employees as they are employed by Delta inc to fly planes for delta) They will not go back to that. Just from a business sense it makes mores sense to have 9E above DL retirees, and I doubt we will be willing to give up any negotiating capital to change that. If you still work here and want it fixed, focus on section 1 of our PWA |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3151489)
Two Things.
1) endeavor and delta are both part of the same company, OO and United are two completely different companies, same with WN and FDX. Endeavor is part of the same company we are, we are just different subsidiaries. My ID and paycheck both say Delta. What subsidiary do I work for? |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3151501)
My ID and paycheck both say Delta. What subsidiary do I work for?
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3151518)
but you both work for Delta air lines inc.
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3151525)
No. They don't work for Delta. They are contract labor. Same as DGS. Nothing different.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3151518)
bad word, divisions of the same company is better put. Both are divisions of Delta Air Lines Inc. but you both work for Delta air lines inc.
You do understand what “Division” means in the corporate sense? So what division does a Delta pilot work for? And what division does an Endeavor pilot work for? And please support your answer with facts. |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3151525)
No. They don't work for Delta. They are contract labor. Same as DGS. Nothing different.
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