This is going nowhere just as it did in the 90s when Delta bought ASA and Comair. This wouldn't be a problem nor would Delta furloughs be happening if we brought the flying in house but... Egos. :rolleyes: Keep Delta my Delta and all. With this attitude we will never fix SCOPE. Who would have guessed a stapler was such a powerful tool? :confused:

GF to your contract piece:

Personally I think it IS worth the effort to secure better priority for our retirees. Its a disservice what they got with the EDV S3A piece and we need to rectify that. Not a huge cost item for us either. In fact not sure we would have to give up anything for it since EDV are not Delta employees.

Commuter policy in affect. What is it, use more than a few times, you get counseled? Or words to that effect. Everything has a cost. If Endeavor pilots can't get to work without using PS, that's their problem. Delta pilots deal with this every day.

As far as the security and exchange commission is concerned, yes. In your scenario if sky chefs committed fraud Ed Bastian would go to jail.

Most major banks are set up in the same way. Retail banking Inc, institutional banking Inc, investment banking Inc.

The CEO of J.P Morgan doesn’t get to say “that fraud was the losers in retail banking At Chase, We’re the REAL JPM bankers, and not liable”.

Mainline pilots just believe it’s somehow different for them because surely, they must be on a higher level than everyone else.

^^^^^this^^^^^ I’ll say it one more time, fix section 1 and this won’t be an issue

if said pilot is pulled in and points out the reason they couldn’t make it to work is because retirees were bumping them off flights, how is it their fault. Without a PS clause at my regional and retirees going ahead of me I missed 6 flights in a row trying to get to work while S3Bs made it on at least a few of those flights...what was I supposed to do?

As a former EDV pilot I’ll stay out of the should EDV have S3A end of the pool. But I can give some context on what was happening just prior to the change.
EDV commuter clause is basically similar to ours. You are required to allow for 2 flights as a non rev or js. The 2nd flight must be on Delta paint to allow the company a positive space option. The main difference for the Delta commute is: EDV doesn’t have the ability to book the jumpseat even on EDV flights.
At Endeavor after the 1st flight is missed, the pilot is supposed to call crew scheduling. The EDV scheduler has discretion to positive space the pilot.

now some context
After EDV became wholly owned, Delta shifted the flying from MSP/DTW/MEM to a very heavy NYC/ATL component without increasing total block hours. That turned a lot of people into commuters almost over night. Delta was on a mission reducing the number of contact carriers. Comair had just happened and the Mesa lawsuit over competed flights had just happened or was in court at the time.

The Mesa lawsuit was a huge wake up call to the contract carriers. Prior to that most companies would give up landing slots in NY or bend over backwards in anyway possible to accommodate mainline in an IROP. After the lawsuit Endeavor was going to make sure flights were completed no matter what, and that staffing wasn’t going to be an issue specifically in NYC. To ensure departures EDV bumped a lot of paying passengers for commuting pilots. These passengers were mostly flying between hubs, and several that were connecting out of JFK. Delta management did not like that, so they choose to increase EDV boarding priority. There may have been some spite towards the Delta pilots factored into the equation, but I don’t think that was the main driver for DL management.

now that the change has occurred and Delta achieved less passengers being bumped for commuters, retiree priority will be hard to get back.
Like everything it is probably negotiable, but I for one have that waaaaaaay down my list of things to negotiate for.

I'm pretty much king of the S3b's, if I get on, just about every one behind me does too. That is just the way it works with loads.

Just to add to this...
Here's the list of subsidiaries of DELTA AIR LINES, INC. as of December 31, 2019.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...12019ex211.htm

Seems to me that pressure should be applied in whatever way possible to get s3a limited to active EDV employees going to or from work. An option on travelnet with audits to insure proper use could be an option until IT can accomplish the task. If we can get 1972 iCrew to limit Jumpseat booking to proper days I have to imagine they can manage the same for s3a.