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Mainline Mulier 10-29-2020 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3151887)
You work here?

I do.

I don’t usually engage, but its beyond embarrassing to see fellow, highly paid professionals fight over retiree standby tickets with kids just starting their career.

I’ve been here less than a decade and buy positive space tickets. If you don’t have seven figures in the bank at retirement, you have much bigger problems to worry about.

JonGoodsell764 10-29-2020 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3151876)
Maybe we should just sell EDV to SW like they did ASA.

Problem solved.

It's a real shame your union sold scope down the river. Who's PWA is allowing contractors to come in and fly your metal with your pax for cheaper wages? Maybe that would be a good starting point with your union. Maybe while you're at it, ask them how the JVs are working out. Must be great buying ZEDs on AF, Aeromexico, KLM, Italia, on and on and on instead of sitting in D1. Serious quesiton, who does more Delta branded flying, DCI + JVs or mainline? Sure, kick the little guy if it makes you feel big. But its ironically the retirees who caved on scope that paved the way for this charade. Active edv pilots are contributing to your profit check, and you want to **** them off to keep Frank happy trying to get out of Del Boca Vista? Okay, dude.

theUpsideDown 10-29-2020 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3151891)
I can guarantee you, at Delta Air Lines, not EDV, if you avail yourself to commuting clause all the time, and get pos space more often than others, you are going to hear about it. The union will not help you, rightfully so. I can't speak for EDV as I don't work there. Never have. Do you work at Delta, or are you EDV pilot? Maybe prior EDV now at DAL? It will help with my context. To help you with mine: I was former mil pilot, former ASA/Express jet pilot, and now a Delta pilot.

No one is blaming EDV pilots, where did we ever say that? What we did say was that them getting S3A for non-rev - to include sig others and dependents - over our retirees is wrong. Them getting S3A to get too work is fine. IMHO we should look at seeing what we can do as a union to rectify that. Maybe something comes of it, maybe not. All Cog is asking is we try. That is a fair request.

First off, no one reading your posts here needs your background. Of course youre a mil pilot. Whatever time you spent at ASA actually flying or commuting clearly wasn't much. Either you pushed papers full time at your reserve mil job waiting for mainline to call or you were called so quickly to mainline you can't even tell me which lever on the RJ seats stops the belts.

There's so much wrong with the rest of this I'm not gonna try. Why? Because you ignore what people do to inform you and then pretend another conversation is going on. There's nothing humble or informed about any of your opinions and that's the pushback you're getting here. The reader may decide which of us is right. Exactly no one is fooled. You're wrong because you're misinformed. Your continued crap posting on here confirms what everyone thought about you BEFORE they politely responded the first time.

I got positive space continuously for months on the old benefits before Delta changed them, as did many others when I was at EDV. When at Delta, I don't have trouble getting on, I still haven't had to use positive space at Delta while commuting to the SAME airport. I can't help how far behind you are in understanding. I can't help your tone. I can't pretend I'm the only guy on this thread, telling you to stop your pilot bashing, but maybe you can tell them to act professional for the 8th or 10th time. Unscrew your head out of your posterior and move onto another thread.

Don't give regional guys a lecture on professionalism or work ethic. These guys outwork you every time they step in an airplane and most of them get similar letters of thanks from passengers and NPS scores. I still have some of mine. They have no support, little technology, and until somewhat recently they couldn't even trust the paperwork could be printed out by the gate or Ops because of a Delta system problem with our NOTAMs. No one even addressed it for a couple days because we just handled it. They should have medals for how hard they work to get passengers and/or jumpseaters on last minute in the -200. I love my mainline job, I do, but we don't do anything at Delta. Even when I think about helping some captain will tell me, "No man, XXXXX does that. Just wait to be told what to do". No one from any regional, never mind guys at EDV, need a work ethic/professional talk from you.

XJ86 10-29-2020 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 3150775)
I'm a VEOP. Yeah, they gave us 6 S3A pass days a year which is better than nothing. We'll all be retirees someday so this will impact everyone. Can i implore our MEC/pilot group to "undo" the S3A for Endeavor pilots and families? Even when I was active, I thought this was totally unacceptable that any Endeavor family member boards ahead of 30+ year Delta retirees. And yes, I spoke with my DTW Capt. rep about this(and he agreed)
If you guys give any ALV relief or anything for that matter, this is a "no cost item" you could get. Either get rid of S3A altogether, or elevate Delta retirees to S3A. My only compromise would be to allow Endeavor pilots commuting to work and return to have this status only.

Fire away

you never will. Its pathetic they have such a priority over mainline active. Retiree is different

OOfff 10-29-2020 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by XJ86 (Post 3151951)
you never will. Its pathetic they have such a priority over mainline active. Retiree is different

what priority does EDV have over active mainline employees?

WhiskeyDelta 10-29-2020 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3151953)
what priority does EDV have over active mainline employees?


They have priority over active mainline on the aircraft in their fleet.

Gone Flying 10-29-2020 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3151956)
They have priority over active mainline on the aircraft in their fleet.

I thought they had the same priority as us with DOH being the tiebreaker

Catboatsailor 10-29-2020 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3151921)
First off, no one reading your posts here needs your background. Of course youre a mil pilot. Whatever time you spent at ASA actually flying or commuting clearly wasn't much. Either you pushed papers full time at your reserve mil job waiting for mainline to call or you were called so quickly to mainline you can't even tell me which lever on the RJ seats stops the belts.

There's so much wrong with the rest of this I'm not gonna try. Why? Because you ignore what people do to inform you and then pretend another conversation is going on. There's nothing humble or informed about any of your opinions and that's the pushback you're getting here. The reader may decide which of us is right. Exactly no one is fooled. You're wrong because you're misinformed. Your continued crap posting on here confirms what everyone thought about you BEFORE they politely responded the first time.

I got positive space continuously for months on the old benefits before Delta changed them, as did many others when I was at EDV. When at Delta, I don't have trouble getting on, I still haven't had to use positive space at Delta while commuting to the SAME airport. I can't help how far behind you are in understanding. I can't help your tone. I can't pretend I'm the only guy on this thread, telling you to stop your pilot bashing, but maybe you can tell them to act professional for the 8th or 10th time. Unscrew your head out of your posterior and move onto another thread.

Don't give regional guys a lecture on professionalism or work ethic. These guys outwork you every time they step in an airplane and most of them get similar letters of thanks from passengers and NPS scores. I still have some of mine. They have no support, little technology, and until somewhat recently they couldn't even trust the paperwork could be printed out by the gate or Ops because of a Delta system problem with our NOTAMs. No one even addressed it for a couple days because we just handled it. They should have medals for how hard they work to get passengers and/or jumpseaters on last minute in the -200. I love my mainline job, I do, but we don't do anything at Delta. Even when I think about helping some captain will tell me, "No man, XXXXX does that. Just wait to be told what to do". No one from any regional, never mind guys at EDV, need a work ethic/professional talk from you.

Holy crap you nailed this one down. These are the exact sentiments of many former regional pilots here at Delta. We work with a bunch of crybabies who are so used to getting their ass kissed they freak out when others who work hard actually get something.

DAL Pilots and EDV Pilots both are contractual workers for Delta Air Lines Inc. How hard is that to understand?????

OOfff 10-29-2020 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3151956)
They have priority over active mainline on the aircraft in their fleet.

they’re not delta air lines planes, though.

Catboatsailor 10-29-2020 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3151956)
They have priority over active mainline on the aircraft in their fleet.

Wrong that’s on Skywest. On 9E Planes we are equal to them and go by DOH.


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