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GogglesPisano 10-29-2020 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3151960)

DAL Pilots and EDV Pilots both are contractual workers for Delta Air Lines Inc. How hard is that to understand?????

When EDV pilots’ ID’s, W2’s, pay checks, tax returns, hats, insignia and page 1 of their CBA say “Delta Air Lines,” you will be correct.

Gone Flying 10-29-2020 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3151966)
When EDV pilots’ ID’s, W2’s, pay checks, tax returns, hats, insignia and page 1 of their CBA say “Delta Air Lines,” you will be correct.

Endeavor is a part of Delta air lines inc. that is not up for debate, that is a fact. By virtue that that is true, endeavor employees are in fact employees of Delta air lines inc.

WhiskeyKilo 10-29-2020 12:40 PM

ITT: Delta pilots treating anyone who's not a Delta pilot like subhuman trash.


Signed: a guy with a Delta CJO.

You can keep it.

JonGoodsell764 10-29-2020 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by XJ86 (Post 3151951)
Its pathetic they have such a priority over mainline active. Retiree is different

Um, what? The only priority edv pilots have over mainline is on their own JS. You want that too? :rolleyes: Here's a WILD idea, put them on the seniority list..then the priority and all of the entitlement is yours.

GogglesPisano 10-29-2020 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3151968)
Endeavor is a part of Delta air lines inc. that is not up for debate, that is a fact. By virtue that that is true, endeavor employees are in fact employees of Delta air lines inc.

So are employees of Monroe Energy. Should someone from Monroe Energy put Delta Air Lines on their resume?

OOfff 10-29-2020 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo (Post 3151972)
ITT: Delta pilots treating anyone who's not a Delta pilot like subhuman trash.


Signed: a guy with a Delta CJO.

You can keep it.

in fairness, there is a controversy among us, so obviously not everyone here thinks RJ pilots are trash

GogglesPisano 10-29-2020 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3151979)
in fairness, there is a controversy among us, so obviously not everyone here thinks RJ pilots are trash

I haven’t seen anyone call anyone trash. I just see people preferring to use specific, accurate terms, rather than words they “feel” are true. Words matter.

“Trash” seems to be used when an argument is lost.

Catboatsailor 10-29-2020 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3151966)
When EDV pilots’ ID’s, W2’s, pay checks, tax returns, hats, insignia and page 1 of their CBA say “Delta Air Lines,” you will be correct.

I think you and others here a conveniently having a continual brain fart. There is a difference between “Delta Air Lines Inc” and the “Delta Air Line pilots” themselves. We are contractual pilots. We have poor protections in our PWA and flying has been taken over by domestic and foreign pilots.

Next time you have a chance, politely ask. Who issued their ID? (here’s a tip Delta Air Lines Inc)

Where are your W2’s and paychecks sent from? (Here’s a tip. Delta Air Lines Inc with the same office address as your W2 & paycheck stubs.)

Who manages 9E’s 401k? (Fidelity under contract with, spoiler Delta Air Lines Inc)

Uniforms mean nothing. They could wear a chicken suit, they’re still generating revenue exclusively for Delta Air Lines Inc.

Their CBA says Endeavor Air Inc which spoiler is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines Inc.

It’s all a homogeneous while still trying to screw us out of scope protections. We need to focus on eradication of this, then retirement non-rev flight status will become a mute point.

Drum 10-29-2020 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3151921)
First off, no one reading your posts here needs your background. Of course youre a mil pilot. Whatever time you spent at ASA actually flying or commuting clearly wasn't much. Either you pushed papers full time at your reserve mil job waiting for mainline to call or you were called so quickly to mainline you can't even tell me which lever on the RJ seats stops the belts.

There's so much wrong with the rest of this I'm not gonna try. Why? Because you ignore what people do to inform you and then pretend another conversation is going on. There's nothing humble or informed about any of your opinions and that's the pushback you're getting here. The reader may decide which of us is right. Exactly no one is fooled. You're wrong because you're misinformed. Your continued crap posting on here confirms what everyone thought about you BEFORE they politely responded the first time.

I got positive space continuously for months on the old benefits before Delta changed them, as did many others when I was at EDV. When at Delta, I don't have trouble getting on, I still haven't had to use positive space at Delta while commuting to the SAME airport. I can't help how far behind you are in understanding. I can't help your tone. I can't pretend I'm the only guy on this thread, telling you to stop your pilot bashing, but maybe you can tell them to act professional for the 8th or 10th time. Unscrew your head out of your posterior and move onto another thread.

Don't give regional guys a lecture on professionalism or work ethic. These guys outwork you every time they step in an airplane and most of them get similar letters of thanks from passengers and NPS scores. I still have some of mine. They have no support, little technology, and until somewhat recently they couldn't even trust the paperwork could be printed out by the gate or Ops because of a Delta system problem with our NOTAMs. No one even addressed it for a couple days because we just handled it. They should have medals for how hard they work to get passengers and/or jumpseaters on last minute in the -200. I love my mainline job, I do, but we don't do anything at Delta. Even when I think about helping some captain will tell me, "No man, XXXXX does that. Just wait to be told what to do". No one from any regional, never mind guys at EDV, need a work ethic/professional talk from you.

I flew the line at ASA/Expressjet for almost 3 years as an FO. Most of that time on reserve (we had a pretty senior group).

I got out of military in the lost decade. When regional hiring started back up I applied to several regionals to get currency back. My friends working here at DL and other airlines recommended that. Get some 121 experience too. I picked ASA/EJ cause it had closest base to where I lived at the time. So it wasn't a touch and go, I wasn't doing reserve or guard gig as I retired from AD. I certainly wasn't shuffling papers. I was sitting reserve on the CRJ-200 for ~3 years (think I held a line my last 6 months there). That was my regional experience.

Once again you mischaracterize those you disagree with to comport with your cognitive dissonance. I see it all the time on this forum.

EDV pilots don't work for Delta. Fact. EDV pilots should not get priority over retirees except for going TO work. There sig others and dependents should never get better than Delta retiree. Period. I'm pushing this with my LEC, and working now on the MEC.

We'll see how it works out.

GogglesPisano 10-29-2020 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Catboatsailor (Post 3152000)
I think you and others here a conveniently having a continual brain fart. There is a difference between “Delta Air Lines Inc” and the “Delta Air Line pilots” themselves. We are contractual pilots. We have poor protections in our PWA and flying has been taken over by domestic and foreign pilots.

Next time you have a chance, politely ask. Who issued their ID? (here’s a tip Delta Air Lines Inc)

Where are your W2’s and paychecks sent from? (Here’s a tip. Delta Air Lines Inc with the same office address as your W2 & paycheck stubs.)

Who manages 9E’s 401k? (Fidelity under contract with, spoiler Delta Air Lines Inc)

Uniforms mean nothing. They could wear a chicken suit, they’re still generating revenue exclusively for Delta Air Lines Inc.

Their CBA says Endeavor Air Inc which spoiler is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines Inc.

It’s all a homogeneous while still trying to screw us out of scope protections. We need to focus on eradication of this, then retirement non-rev flight status will become a mute point.

So when they fill out a job application, it’s “Delta Air Lines?” You can’t possibly be serious.

And their W2’s? Their tax returns?

Their CBA is not with Delta Air Lines.

Spin away.


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