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Mesabah 10-29-2020 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152034)

CatBoatSailor left EDV a few years ago for Delta mainline.

Meow1215 10-29-2020 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3151881)
Maybe we should just sell EDV to SW. Problem solved.

Heck we sold ASA to SW. ASA used to be wholly owned too.

The fact remains. Our retirees worked for Delta Air Lines. You do not.

This may not go anywhere. All Cog was asking was for us to take a look at it. I called my reps and asked them to see what they can do. Nothing may come of it, or it might get traction. We'll see.

If you can sell a paper airline to OO right now, you should be in the executive suite in ATL advising EB.

Endeavor doesn’t work for Delta? My paycheck from Endeavor, the side of Delta’s plane, Delta’s crew ID beg otherwise. We are not Delta pilots sure enough, but we most certainly do work for Delta. It’s not like we can bid for someone else’s flying, doesn’t seem like something Jim Graham (also DAL) is about authorize that. Your retirees do nothing for DAL, retirees are separated. As a thanks for their service they receive non-rev benefits at DALs generosity and discretion. For some strange reason they have decided because it impacted the bottom line to adjust the boarding priority. Again - you want to solve this problem? Fix section 1 of the PWA.

You guys being ****ed at 9E Pilots is unfounded. We (9E) have nothing in our contract about nonrev travel priority. This was done because your company (DAL) decided that it made financial sense to increase the travel priority for active employees contributing to DAL’s bottom line; retirees do not and they lost travel priority. It’s that simple. I can’t help but notice how none of you are mad about DPJ employees having S3A, what will you do if the rest Wheels Up gets S3A?

Again, if in the RJs go back to Delta - this is no longer a problem.

Meow1215 10-29-2020 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3151956)
They have priority over active mainline on the aircraft in their fleet.

No we do not, DAL on 9E is S3. 9E on 9E is S3, DOH is the tie breaker.

GogglesPisano 10-29-2020 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3152021)
If those employees were to be given company stock award as part of their compensation what stock would it be

Going in circles now. Stock means nothing. You don’t think that if an Endeavor pilot applied to Delta one day and listed Delta Air Lines as an employer (with no wiggly stipulations and DBA’s and “subsidiary”) he wouldn’t be laughed out of the room.

And what should his tax return list as an employer? What does his W2 say? What does his ID say — and I’m not talking about “property of.” I’m asking what his ID says?

The arguments I see on this thread are hilarious, in a squeamish pretzel kind of way.

Drum 10-29-2020 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3152042)
CatBoatSailor left EDV a few years ago for Delta mainline.

This was an "in general" post directed at the EDV pilots posting here in this thread.

Gone Flying 10-29-2020 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152077)
This was an "in general" post directed at the EDV pilots posting here in this thread.

most the endeavor pilots on this thread have just been posting facts about why we are here today, not really taking sides.

BTW I’ve never met an endeavor pilot that thought they were Delta like you say. (unlike a couple guys I know at AA WOs)

Drum 10-29-2020 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 3152043)
If you can sell a paper airline to OO right now, you should be in the executive suite in ATL advising EB.

Endeavor doesn’t work for Delta? My paycheck from Endeavor, the side of Delta’s plane, Delta’s crew ID beg otherwise. We are not Delta pilots sure enough, but we most certainly do work for Delta. It’s not like we can bid for someone else’s flying, doesn’t seem like something Jim Graham (also DAL) is about authorize that. Your retirees do nothing for DAL, retirees are separated. As a thanks for their service they receive non-rev benefits at DALs generosity and discretion. For some strange reason they have decided because it impacted the bottom line to adjust the boarding priority. Again - you want to solve this problem? Fix section 1 of the PWA.

You guys being ****ed at 9E Pilots is unfounded. We (9E) have nothing in our contract about nonrev travel priority. This was done because your company (DAL) decided that it made financial sense to increase the travel priority for active employees contributing to DAL’s bottom line; retirees do not and they lost travel priority. It’s that simple. I can’t help but notice how none of you are mad about DPJ employees having S3A, what will you do if the rest Wheels Up gets S3A?

Again, if in the RJs go back to Delta - this is no longer a problem.

We don't want RJs. Pay scale is crap. Rather use a NB to fill that. But we don't make that call as pilots do we?

Again, you are saying we are ****ed at EDV pilots? I've asked a couple times now to show me where we said that? We are just looking at a proposal, not even that. It was a request from a VEOP guy. I forwarded it to my LEC.

You guys started in with "hurrrr durrrr hurrr we work for Delta" crap. That - we do take issue with. Sorry we got your panties in wad dude but facts are facts. You don't work for Delta Air Lines.

Go see the crying babay now.

fishforfun 10-29-2020 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)

Go see the crying babay now.

Awesome reference.

Gone Flying 10-29-2020 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)
We don't want RJs. Pay scale is crap. Rather use a NB to fill that. But we don't make that call as pilots do we?

this attitude right here is why we are where we are with SCOPE, too many egos too big to fly an RJ. APN, BQK, and ITH aren't gonna get 737s anytime soon but id gladly fly an RJ in there to get the flying on OUR LIST. if the pay does not work for you don't bid it. personally I like RJ overnights and would welcome the rapid seniority movement that would come from that pay scale. plus the pay and work rules would be a significant increase for the ALPA pilots flying those planes


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152079)
Again, you are saying we are ****ed at EDV pilots? I've asked a couple times now to show me where we said that? We are just looking at a proposal, not even that. It was a request from a VEOP guy. I forwarded it to my LEC.

You guys started in with "hurrrr durrrr hurrr we work for Delta" crap. That - we do take issue with. Sorry we got your panties in wad dude but facts are facts. You don't work for Delta Air Lines.

Go see the crying babay now.

there is a difference between claiming to work for the same airline (untrue) and claiming to work for the same parent company (true).

Mesabah 10-29-2020 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3152077)
This was an "in general" post directed at the EDV pilots posting here in this thread.

I think you might be better to gripe to our former CEO, Ryan Gumm, the person responsible.


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