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GogglesPisano 10-28-2020 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3151582)
As far as the security and exchange commission is concerned, yes. In your scenario if sky chefs committed fraud Ed Bastian would go to jail.

Most major banks are set up in the same way. Retail banking Inc, institutional banking Inc, investment banking Inc.

The CEO of J.P Morgan doesn’t get to say “that fraud was the losers in retail banking At Chase, We’re the REAL JPM bankers, and not liable”.

Mainline pilots just believe it’s somehow different for them because surely, they must be on a higher level than everyone else.

I’m thankful the SEC doesn’t determine our nonrev priority. Otherwise it would be DOH for everyone: Delta, DGS, Endeavor, Monroe Energy, Delta Private Jets ...

This has nothing to do with pilots, it has everything to do with who you work for. And by work for I mean what your W2 says. But hey, if somebody who works for DPJ wants to tell their friends that they work for Delta, there’s nothing we can do to stop them.

Cogf16 10-28-2020 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3151573)
they have the exact same commuter clause we do. And because of that delta was spending $$$ buying revenue pax off flights because an endeavor pilot needed to be pos space to work. By giving endeavor a higher priority, they (delta) are spending less money buying people off flights because they are not getting bumped off as often by retirees

So you are justifying changing a long standing Nonrev priority policy disadvantaging tens of thousands of DELTA EMPLOYEES just to save some $$$ and help Endeavor pilots get to work??? You need to rethink your position here. That is a terrible argument with little justification, especially if you're a Delta pilot!!!

Cogf16 10-28-2020 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3151585)
if said pilot is pulled in and points out the reason they couldn’t make it to work is because retirees were bumping them off flights, how is it their fault. Without a PS clause at my regional and retirees going ahead of me I missed 6 flights in a row trying to get to work while S3Bs made it on at least a few of those flights...what was I supposed to do?

Ahhh, go a day early, drive or .....MOVE Your argument just doesn't make sense here.

badflaps 10-28-2020 07:20 PM

I can see 9E S3a's to work and back, the problem is that they are young and prolific which knocks out 3 to 5 seats per employee. And that's all I have to say about that.

notEnuf 10-28-2020 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 3151611)
I can see 9E S3a's to work and back, the problem is that they are young and prolific which knocks out 3 to 5 seats per employee. And that's all I have to say about that.

New telescope for your birthday?

zippinbye 10-28-2020 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3150786)
neither is my family and they can bump an active employee who was hired after me. Conversely I can be bumped by your spouse/kid since you are senior to me, how is that fair?

Did you really just ask how seniority is fair?

Meow1215 10-28-2020 07:52 PM

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Meow1215 10-28-2020 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 3151581)
Commuter policy in affect. What is it, use more than a few times, you get counseled? Or words to that effect. Everything has a cost. If Endeavor pilots can't get to work without using PS, that's their problem. Delta pilots deal with this every day.

The Endeavor commuter clause is a “me too” off the DAL PWA, it’s identical. Again, this means when 9E misses the 6a out FLL because 9 retirees got on, DAL is purchasing the $3,000+ tickets to remove revenue customers on the 8am.

If this fact offends your sensibilities so much, maybe your airline shouldn’t have sold scope. Again, if you want it fixed. See section 1 of the PWA and fix it.

Mesabah 10-28-2020 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3151601)
Seems to me that pressure should be applied in whatever way possible to get s3a limited to active EDV employees going to or from work. An option on travelnet with audits to insure proper use could be an option until IT can accomplish the task. If we can get 1972 iCrew to limit Jumpseat booking to proper days I have to imagine they can manage the same for s3a.

We use different software vendors, Delta has to dump iCrew for it to work, otherwise it has to entered manually like it's done for working flights.

fishforfun 10-29-2020 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3151601)
Seems to me that pressure should be applied in whatever way possible to get s3a limited to active EDV employees going to or from work. An option on travelnet with audits to insure proper use could be an option until IT can accomplish the task. If we can get 1972 iCrew to limit Jumpseat booking to proper days I have to imagine they can manage the same for s3a.

Exactly, I don’t get why this is so difficult. Only the employee going TO work.


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