are you saying both Delta Air Lines and Endeavor air are not part of Delta Air lines inc. ?


Delta air lines and Endeavor air are both part of Delta air lines inc.

You haven't answered goggles question.

EDV are not Delta employees.

Wholly owned means nothing. EDV are not Delta Air Lines employees. Simple. Fact.

I’m saying Endeavor employees are employees of Endeavor. So does their ID and paycheck. And their W2. Words matter. When I worked for ACA my ID said ACA. If someone worked for Comair I’m sure their ID’s and W2’s said “Comair.”’

If someone works for DGS their ID and paycheck says ... you guessed it.

If Delta decided to buy SkyChefs tomorrow and kept them as a separate entity, would they be Delta employees?

What are you saying, exactly?

my point was that we both work for the same company, delta air lines inc. by virtue of them being employees of endeavor, which is a wholly owned subsidiary, that would mean we both work under the same company. Not that they are delta or we are endeavor, but that our overall company, Delta it lines inc., is who both of our bottom lines support.

I guess the easy way to put my point is by virtue of Delta owning endeavor, we do in fact fall under the same umbrella. Unlike skywest and republic that are independent companies, endeavor is under the same umbrella as us.

Well. I’d agree that Endeavor employees should get higher priority on Delta metal by virtue of that fact. Certainly higher than a non-wholly-owned.

But when it comes to Delta metal, people who’ve devoted their careers to Delta should have a higher priority than people who have never worked for Delta.

The problem lies in the fact that by bumping endeavor down in priority we create a tangible cost to delta because they have to spend more money buying people off oversold flights or the operation of endeavor (carrying DL pax and generating revenue for our PS check whenever they come back) suffers. This is not a 0 cost item to delta and will require negotiation capital to change. I personally would rather we focus that negotiation capital on issues that affect current DL pilots or tangible monetary benefits for retirees (like improvements to retiree medical). if this is truly a huge issue let’s address it in section 1 of our contract.

The Ops Group and the MX Group are under the same Wing. Yet one flies and the other fixed, they aren’t entitled to the others rules, regulations, and benefits.

If you are non-reving - not for work - what diff does it make, no one is buying anyone off. Your priority should not be higher than a delta employee, present or retired.

I don't get it. If you have to commute to work, pretty sure you have a commuter clause in your contract. We do.

It's simple, follow it if you are going to work. You're covered. Otherwise I don't get what you are trying to push here.

they have the exact same commuter clause we do. And because of that delta was spending $$$ buying revenue pax off flights because an endeavor pilot needed to be pos space to work. By giving endeavor a higher priority, they (delta) are spending less money buying people off flights because they are not getting bumped off as often by retirees

You're parsing words here. Common sense tells me I worked for Delta, not as a contractor or part of a wholly owned subsidiary, but Delta Air Lines. They work for Endeavor, not Delta. I really don't see any difference between them and ComAir or ASA for example. We never would have supported giving them this S3A "windfall" then, and I don't think Endeavor is any different. No matter what you say, most people wouldn't consider Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots being essentially equal, each working for Delta Air Lines inc.