Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 3150775)

I'm a VEOP. Yeah, they gave us 6 S3A pass days a year which is better than nothing. We'll all be retirees someday so this will impact everyone. Can i implore our MEC/pilot group to "undo" the S3A for Endeavor pilots and families? Even when I was active, I thought this was totally unacceptable that any Endeavor family member boards ahead of 30+ year Delta retirees. And yes, I spoke with my DTW Capt. rep about this(and he agreed)
If you guys give any ALV relief or anything for that matter, this is a "no cost item" you could get. Either get rid of S3A altogether, or elevate Delta retirees to S3A. My only compromise would be to allow Endeavor pilots commuting to work and return to have this status only.

Fire away

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3150842)

Because s/he is an active employee of a different airline. S/he is not an employee of Delta. Otherwise s/he would be on the Delta Pilot Seniority List.

If you don’t believe a Delta Pilot retiree has an affiliation with DL then I don’t know what to tell you other than I believe you are wrong. If there was no affiliation then there would be no pass benefits etc.

Denny

Edit: I got no problem with EDV pilots using this to get to/from work. It’s the rest of it that bothers me.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3150872)

sorry if my post was abrasive, I really did not mean it that way. I guess my point was an endeavor pilot is doing more to help delta today than a retiree (except maybe those that took an early out like you and COG, I would 1000% support keeping all VEOP participants on active pass travel until they turn 65) I have nothing against retirees, I just think given how integrated DL and 9E are that it should at least be acknowledged how they contribute to the operation, more than any other airline except mainline DL.


EDIT I said this earlier but I believe the best way to address this is by addressing section 1 of our contract, not trying to make pass travel part of our contract. But that is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3150877)

Yeah. Let’s just forget a 20-40 year career as a Delta employee. That’s ancient history now and they’re owed nothing.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3150879)

If that’s the case why not keep pass travel at s3 instead of bumping It down. A new hire at dL could bump a guy who just retired after 40 years. Like it or not endeavor is an integral part of our operation. If we bump them back down to S3B or C should we go behind them on endeavor metal (we currently travel at the same priority with DOH being the tiebreaker if I’m not mistaken) should endeavor retirees go ahead of active delta pilots on endeavor metal?

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3150883)

IMHO: Each airline should determine the priority hierarchy on their own metal. And Delta management should value their retirees over non-employees. Flame away.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3150886)

IMO if we put our retirees ahead of active endeavor employees, all endeavor employees and retirees should go ahead of all DL employees on endeavor flights.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3150888)

Sounds fair. It’s Endeavor metal.