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Old 04-13-2021, 03:14 AM   #61  
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It worked! Reserve days were 20+ required and 0 available for both days (bigger issues to discuss
there) but the trip foot prints fell exactly inside of the same days. I have some faith restored in our system. After reading this thread over again after putting the swap in I put my odds about 50/50 of it working.
As long as the footprint is the same the swap should always go through. 99% of the time when someone does not get a swap the footprint is either different usually because the trip ends with a leg carrying into a extra day or the trip is a Q trip and not technically in open time. Once in a blue moon a trip constructed by crew scheduling has a coding error or is built with something illegal in which case the computer wonít award it. This has happened to me and resulted in a nice paycheck.
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As long as the footprint is the same the swap should always go through. 99% of the time when someone does not get a swap the footprint is either different usually because the trip ends with a leg carrying into a extra day or the trip is a Q trip and not technically in open time. Once in a blue moon a trip constructed by crew scheduling has a coding error or is built with something illegal in which case the computer wonít award it. This has happened to me and resulted in a nice paycheck.
For instance, a 3-day trip that blocks in after 2330. Computer treats it like a 4-day, even though itís really a 3-day.
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For instance, a 3-day trip that blocks in after 2330. Computer treats it like a 4-day, even though itís really a 3-day.
In these scenarios.. how should it process? As a 3day for swapping or 4day for swapping?
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In these scenarios.. how should it process? As a 3day for swapping or 4day for swapping?
For swap purposes if trip goes 1 minute into a day from report to release that day counts. A 3 day trip that blocks in at 2331 and releases at 0001 is a 4 day trip for swapping purposes. If that last day does not meet desired reserve coverage a swap would be awarded even if the trip you currently have released at 2359.
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For swap purposes if trip goes 1 minute into a day from report to release that day counts. A 3 day trip that blocks in at 2331 and releases at 0001 is a 4 day trip for swapping purposes. If that last day does not meet desired reserve coverage a swap would be awarded even if the trip you currently have released at 2359.
Correct. Also has to be in before the 7am run the day prior I believe. I try to only select ďactualĒ when looking in open time for swaps to avoid seeing trips that donít count. This was my first swap with the pot and it was a huge win.
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For swap purposes if trip goes 1 minute into a day from report to release that day counts. A 3 day trip that blocks in at 2331 and releases at 0001 is a 4 day trip for swapping purposes. If that last day does not meet desired reserve coverage a swap would be awarded even if the trip you currently have released at 2359.
EDIT: Should have said a swap would not be awarded.
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For swap purposes if trip goes 1 minute into a day from report to release that day counts. A 3 day trip that blocks in at 2331 and releases at 0001 is a 4 day trip for swapping purposes. If that last day does not meet desired reserve coverage a swap would be awarded even if the trip you currently have released at 2359.
I've been burned by this a lot. If they're gonna treat trips like this as a day longer than they actually are for drop/swap purposes then we should get paid an additional 5:15 for trips that block in after 2330. United does.
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I've been burned by this a lot. If they're gonna treat trips like this as a day longer than they actually are for drop/swap purposes then we should get paid an additional 5:15 for trips that block in after 2330. United does.
Would you really trade our min day for what UAL has?

5-G-2 Schedules shall contain a minimum of five (5) hours pay value, averaged, for each day in a Trip. This provision does not apply to publicity and courtesy flights. If a Pilot was assigned or reassigned to be released from a Trip before the start of a day, and if in the Actual Operation he is released after the start of that day but before 0400, that day shall not be included when calculating the pay value in this Section 5-G-2.
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I've been burned by this a lot. If they're gonna treat trips like this as a day longer than they actually are for drop/swap purposes then we should get paid an additional 5:15 for trips that block in after 2330. United does.
I'm not sure about UALs language, but you're right, if we're not getting paid for that day, it shouldn't count against us in these instances. I blame DALPA for not negotiating that into the PWA.
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