Mesabah

The CDC has three protocols for disease transmission mitigation
1. Contact
2. Droplet
3. Airborne
Currently the CDC is ONLY using 2, when it is obviously 1 and 3.

Nvrgofullretard

umm you are freaking out 😂

you never addressed the whole point of my post. You are getting but hurt about an event that hasn’t happened....mandatory life long mask wearing forever
1. Never said they definitively work or not, above my pay grade. Seems obvious they would but meh, I don’t care and I’m not a scientist. I’ll let the folks who study this tell me what to do. I don’t look for socialist Marxist conspiracies under every bush

2. whataboutism? This **** gets old. Whataboutism is for children. Please stop.

3. I don’t want to stay at home, nor did I say anyone should lol. I just said to take this seriously and be aware of what you are doing. People have knowingly been sick, and said screw it, gone to work and killed other people. (And before you say it’s a choice to go to work for the people that got sick, 1. They may not know they have a genetic anomaly that gets them killed, or 2. They need to work for money.)

I love how you assume who I voted for....this is the problem we are having. You are projecting that since I don’t agree with you, I am your enemy.

chill da fun out bru, not everyone is after you.........

my only real issue is when people start saying crazy stuff like phins blithely stating the CDC is falsifying their 2020 numbers. That is insane. Masks, no masks...who cares. I just do what I’m asked like a good FO until I see a safety issue and then I don’t give 2 chickens about the captains feelings I’ll call it like I see it.

I don’t see a safety violation yet and I’m staying in my lane

Grumpyaviator

Everyone at my Drs office has had it, my family as well. He asked if I had the vaccine and said I should get it (probably won’t), but should wait until last so others without immunity could get the first opportunity.

I wondered why they did away with mandatory PPE in the office and require it only if you’re symptomatic. He said that with antibodies lasting at least 90 days and the immune system activated for at least a year(some studies are leaning to permanent immunity according to his references), the recommendation now is not to wear the mask if you’ve been positive to keep the immune system working at its peak, unless of course its mandatory where you are. You should comply with local rules. He even said “hopefully you’ll be exposed again and that will help to fortify your immune system.” This was last week and he’s been keeping up to date on the latest. Of course he’s probably not as knowledgeable as pilots with google on an anonymous message board.

I don’t remember all the technical talk since he’s on a number of advisory boards in our area and gets on a roll, but basically the immune system, once activated benefits from repeated exposure to what triggered it.

Grumpyaviator

Oh, I thought it was 1 and 3, hence all the Lysol and hand sanitizer.

DeltaboundRedux

Didn't mean to imply that masks would "fix it", or even mitigate anything. Only that if properly fitting (!), consistent mask wearing at a 80% level or higher was necessary for any reason, it's not going to happen. So a much better system needs to be engineered.

How could you possibly run a reliable study that would even give a ballpark number of actual, consistent, properly fitted/worn masks used nationwide? A statistical survey of self-reported usage would be almost useless, for obvious reasons. (Also see...asking people to report their weight on drivers licenses, how many sex partners women will cop to, how many sex partners men will say they've had, etc.)

Maybe some kind of study could determine basic population density numbers compared with actual masks ordered, distributed, and constantly re-distributed/replenished to a specific region would at least be some sort of indicator?

90%? Nationwide? Across all population densities, income levels, education levels, ages, races, genders? No way.

Crown

I'm not freaking out, not in the slightest. I'm simply poking holes in your argument. It seems to me you're not used to being challenged when you make a point, so welcome to the jungle

I don't look for conspiracies either. I'm guessing masks work slightly better than not wearing a mask, which is why we're all wearing them. What I don't like are the people who use masks as virtue-signaling. You're wearing a *******ing piece of cloth, not storming Omaha Beach here. You're not that special.

Lol, this wasn't whataboutism at all. You said Trump was the cause of this all blowing up. I said it was the Democrats. I guess we're just going to disagree on that one.

I'm glad you don't want to stay at home. To do so is cowardly. And yes, we all have been around someone flying who is sick (pre-Covid) that makes you scratch your head and question why they're at work. What blows me away are the people that cross the street to avoid other people because they MIGHT have the disease, the people who don't hug/shake hands because someone MIGHT have the disease. It's cowardly, embarrassing, and shameful.

The problem we're having is anyone who didn't vote for Trump or doesn't like Trump gets to walk around with their chests puffed, high and mighty, like they are better than everyone. News flash - I didn't vote for Trump either. But I sure as ****** didn't vote for Biden. You're not my enemy, but the way you talk down to me? You sure ain't my friend.

I don't know Phins, frankly his posts are too long and wordy and I skip over them because I'm lazy and have the attention span of a gnat. I think the issue lies in that you just nod your head, don't question anything, and say what's good for the goose. All of us should be questioning our government, regardless of who is in charge. Government is not your friend. They aren't your ally. They're a necessary evil, nothing more. You shouldn't love them, you should despise them.

TransWorld

Spot on.

By third generation, Covid spread is 1.4x1.4x1.4 = 2.7 infected if no mitigation.

By third generation, Measles spread is 12x12x12 = 1,728 infected if no mitigation.

I remember, as a kid, when I had measles, once they had a couple of cases, the entire school was closed down for a couple of weeks. Otherwise it went ripping through the rooms, fast as can be. If you have not seen it, you have no idea about the rapid spread of a factor of 12. It would simply take your breath away. Even so, the infection rate for kids was almost 100%. Everybody got it.

Phins2right

I'll address this.

First, they did falsify. Starting with case numbers. WHO just validated my assertion which was made back in May. PCR cycles were too high leading to millions of false positives. So yeah, fake.

Deaths. Well no pun intended, but we've beat the dead horse. A doctor can code any death - regardless of the cause - as china flu. Doesn't need a positive test, doesn't need anything other than "assumption". This has happened since March when the NVSS changed the rules.

I've also asserted that HCQ and Ivermectin were proven treatments - my wife has used both to save people. Now that is validated as well. See the AMJM and Lancet retractions.

My goal here since March was always to provide you guys with some inside info. Had it been a hot stock or investment you'd be high-fiving me. Instead I've been ridiculed and tormented by 4 trolls. I am trying to feed you info on this cold bug that you should look at - yet you can't see it due to your gross confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. I've got news for you about me and politics - I'm not in love with any politician. Frankly I can't stand any of them. It is the second oldest profession. I do care about the truth.

I will continue to be validated on my prior assertions, well, because they are truth. You'll soon learn the truth about the origins of the virus. I wrote extensively on that as well.

Have a great weekend. Got some fish to catch.

Phins2right

There are 2 emergency medicine doctors from California that spoke to this back in April. They were interviewed and even made a video about it. They were ridiculed, but they never faltered. They are right. Any real doctor will tell you that - as your doc did.

Our immune system is a wonderful and highly effective elegant design; it has kept us on this planet for millenia. It needs to be exercised. Challenged. This makes it, and us, stronger.

The whole "asymptomatic" transfer thing was BS to scare you into putting on the face diaper and means of avenue to shutting your/our world down. Your doc is smart. Keep him/her.

DenverPilot8

1) lock downs do work. Look at China. Look at Italy after strict lockdown. It works. But yes it’s devastating. There are consequences to it. But you are wrong that they don’t work.

2) politicians acting like hypocrites has literally NOTHING to do with wether Covid spreads, or wether water is wet, or where the sun sets and rises no matter what Tucker and Hannity say. That argument is overused and has ZERO barring on anything.

3) I didn’t realize grocery cart murders were contagious! I better watch it at the grocery store next time.

you need some serious de-programming