Gunfighter

It takes a great deal of emotional intelligence to set aside bias and actually consider the facts. The world needs more people capable of doing so. Just because you don't agree with every one of Phins' posts doesn't make him wrong WRT lies about treatment causing deaths. Health officials in the US are responsible for deaths by withholding HCQ and Ivermectin. It's just a fact, even if Phins said it.

GucciBoy

Here are some facts: The following assertions are from the article that Phins posted to support his claim that HQC is a cure-all for COVID:

Fact: This paper does not claim that their presented protocol is the go-to plan for COVID treatment; see below quote:

“Future randomized trials are expected to confirm, reject, refine, and expand these principles.”

Fact: This paper asserts that mask wear is essential to controlling the COVID outbreak; see below quote:

“A major goal of self-quarantine is the control of contagion. Many sources of information suggest the main place of viral transmission occurs in the home. Facial covering for all contacts within the home as well as frequent use of hand sanitizer and hand washing is mandatory.”

We are now dealing with two different issues regarding Phins’s frequent posts:

1. He makes outlandish claims with no sources, or he provides a source that does not support his outlandish claims. Again, see the article he linked in the other thread from which I posted the above quotes.

2. He has made several other outlandish quotes unrelated to COVID that absolutely destroy his credibility.

The failure to ignore the fact that he said that some set of circumstances would coalesce into a setting aside of Biden’s election to the presidency is not a lack of emotional intelligence, nor is it an inability to set aside bias. It is simply an acknowledgment that the same person that is trying to convince us all that not being afraid of a disease with a 99+% survival rate and not being afraid of a vaccine with a 99.9999+% survival rate are somehow not the same is the same person that thought that someone/something was going to come out of nowhere and undo a democratic process that has a 230-plus-year streak going. That repeated assertion, combined with an utter refusal to take responsibility for it, absolutely undermines Phins’s credibility on any subject of note.

OOfff

it’s fair to note that he also believes the virus was intentionally engineered by the Chinese.

Buck Rogers

So I've used your logic and applied it to Fauci (in red) and I guess you would have to agree....since it is your litmus test?
Phin's can say whatever he wants....Fauci should not/is not allowed to as a .gov leader/spokesman. I've said it before, I think what Faucii said/did is negligent homicide and he should be prosecuted. He was the acknowledged expert and spokesman. If it can be proven that Trump ordered him to do it, then they should both be prosecuted. Nobody ever has to obey an illegal order. Period.

DeltaboundRedux

“Intentionally engineered by the Chinese” is a rational hypothesis. That’s exactly what these high level bio labs do.

“Intentionally engineered and intentionally released” is another matter, entirely.

The fact that Wuhan is the only BSL-4 bio lab in all of China is a huge red flag. The “wet market/pangolin/bat” stories of last year are largely discredited and generally considered to be intentional misdirection by the CCP.

So, reasonable? Yes. Definitive..not by a long shot.

China will never admit to an accidental release; this has cost the world economy trillions and trillions, which arguably they’d be held account for if they should/could be.

GucciBoy

The difference is Fauci made this claim before all the facts were known, i.e. while he was still being told there was a looming PPE shortage for health care workers. I’m not saying that necessarily justifies his course of action, but Phins made his dubious claims well after the election results had been tabulated. Anyone who made the claim that Biden would never be the president prior to the election is just stating their educated guess.

To compare Phins to Fauci, Fauci would’ve had to have been presented with the information that there was no mask shortage, and that pre- and asymptomatic people could spread the virus, and then still claim that there is no reason to wear a mask. Now that you mention it, that does sound a lot like Phins...

Buck Rogers

I thought the CDC had done a 20 year study, completed in fall of 2019, that said masks don't help control the spread of viruses?

To intentional tell a falsehood is a LIE(FAUCI).....to think something and state an opinion to be later proved wrong is NOT A LIE(PHINS)

Fauci lied....Phins was wrong. Even I think that some states changed election procedures incorrectly. The justification doesn't matter (the justification is a matter of opinion). On the merits of the case for those states, as a layman, I would have said what was done was illegal.

Some of the cases were tossed for what appears to be political reasons. But, that is just my opinion.

All 5 Stages

From the State Department:

"Starting in at least 2016 – and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak – WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar)."

"The WIV has a published record of conducting “gain-of-function” research to engineer chimeric viruses."

It appears Dr. Li-Meng Yan was right, or at least right enough for the DoS to agree.

A5S

https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology//index.html

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rogue-chinese-virologist-joins-twitter-publishes-evidence-covid-19-created-lab

Nantonaku

I think those of us that have been following this are not surprised by this. It was always the most logical
and simple answer. It isn’t conspiracy theory, just simple connecting of the dots.

Mesabah

Yeah, given the variety of species Covid19 can infect, there would be a common ancestor of the virus found in nature. After more than a year, not a single one has been found.