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Old 12-30-2020, 10:58 AM   #21  
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Probably some butthurt ex Blue or Tbird.

(And I'm an ex mil guy myself)

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Old 12-30-2020, 11:48 AM   #22  
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Probably some butthurt ex Blue or Tbird.

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LOL....I was thinking the exact same thing.
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as a hypothetical contractor for Amazon, how do you suggest we will compete with atlas, southern, sun country, and Mesa with our cost structure?
we were flying amazon freight so obviously there was a profit margin there. However ther eis more then just amazon freight in the world to fly. Anyways this is all on deaf ears. The article jsut reviews we had capable fridght sricrsft snd should have exploited that. Id we have to best on the pax side making money why limit ourselves and not bring in the best on the freight side
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August 20 2005 mechanics went in strike at nwa. The capable mechanics that could keep the old girls flying were replaced with bus guys who didn't know them near well enough. They were on tdy out of msp. The DHL contract was lost due on time performance being obliterated due to the mechanic issues. No contract lasts when plane leaves 3 days late.
by your admission it was quite lucrative prior to the issues arising from the mechanical nuances.

Now military charter was always performed by the 747-400s. The classics were freight only not pax.
the evolution of times gave us 747 400s, 777's and 767ers. All fitting the requirements of military charter of supplies, all with range for freight and all highly capable freight aircraft. I dont care what the naysayers view is. My point is we were flying 2 a day chicago to Frankfurt and backs of amazon freight only on 777s. And that saved our backsides and we should never sacrifice the stability freight offers during downturns especially when we had aircraft capable and paid for.

But wait here comes stay yo lane dude...
DHL announced the termination of the contract in Dec 2007 effective in 2008.
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we were flying amazon freight so obviously there was a profit margin there. However ther eis more then just amazon freight in the world to fly. Anyways this is all on deaf ears. The article jsut reviews we had capable fridght sricrsft snd should have exploited that. Id we have to best on the pax side making money why limit ourselves and not bring in the best on the freight side
do you think amazonís freight system has changed in 15 years?


again, since you started a thread about deltaís relationship with Amazon, how do you propose we compete with atlas, Mesa, sun country, southern, etc for Amazon freight?
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as a hypothetical contractor for Amazon, how do you suggest we will compete with atlas, southern, sun country, and Mesa with our cost structure?
You donít compete, and you donít put yourself in a position where you slowly put all of your eggs in the Amazon basket. They want our business? Here is our price. Not good enough? Ok, bye.
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You donít compete, and you donít put yourself in a position where you slowly put all of your eggs in the Amazon basket. They want our business? Here is our price. Not good enough? Ok, bye.
I think youíre misunderstanding who is the buyer and who is the seller in that scenario. Itís not whether or not Amazon wants OUR business.

yes, you absolutely do have to compete if you want to sell cargo logistics.
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I think youíre misunderstanding who is the buyer and who is the seller in that scenario. Itís not whether or not Amazon wants OUR business.

yes, you absolutely do have to compete if you want to sell cargo logistics.
Nah man, they'll beg to have the honor of Delta flying their cargo. Nevermind that our 330B payrates are higher than most of the ACMI carriers 777A. I'm sure our cost structures are similar...
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I think youíre misunderstanding who is the buyer and who is the seller in that scenario. Itís not whether or not Amazon wants OUR business.

yes, you absolutely do have to compete if you want to sell cargo logistics.
Poor choice of wording on my part. What I meant is that Delta should not be pulled into the cargo whipsaw game by positioning ourselves to be forced to lower costs to compete. If Amazon is in desperate need of increased air freight options then they should know what using Delta will cost them.
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Poor choice of wording on my part. What I meant is that Delta should not be pulled into the cargo whipsaw game by positioning ourselves to be forced to lower costs to compete. If Amazon is in desperate need of increased air freight options then they should know what using Delta will cost them.
thatís a fairly terrible way to run a cargo business, and wonít net us anything in the long term. Amazon doesnít need us, like at all
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