Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
04-29-2021, 03:48 AM
#2621
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
Originally Posted by Der Meister
Well the most logical thing to do was offer SIL's over a year ago. But this management is more concerned with optics and such to care about the bottom line. So who knows what they are going to do. All I know is their staffing shortage that they caused is not my problem and thus will never extend a single FDP period, because in the end its all about safety 🤣.
04-29-2021, 04:09 AM
#2622
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,198
Originally Posted by sailingfun
SIL’s would have done little to nothing to help. 90% of the training issues and training events are being generated by the VEOP and the retirement of two entire fleets in a very short time.
But that’s not the point. Surely you recognize the bait and switch bad-faith negotiating because…. Optics. Think of the goodwill that could have been generated through all this. I know, I know…
There are thousands of relatively young hires who will remember for a long, long time the decisions management made and why. Those decisions have disabused the UNA’s, and many more, of any notion of blissful ignorance as to how we are viewed.
04-29-2021, 04:44 AM
#2623
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: 75/76, C-5
Posts: 322
If they are intending on training people twice why does it still take a month to populate training dates…. I thought the reason they weren’t using the JEPP Software was due to the limitation of avoiding training people twice so they had to do this by hand?
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04-29-2021, 05:00 AM
#2624
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
Originally Posted by FangsF15
You are probably right that SIL’s would probably not have had a high take rate after a couple of months, as we figured out we could stay home for full pay instead of 55 hours.
But that’s not the point. Surely you recognize the bait and switch bad-faith negotiating because…. Optics. Think of the goodwill that could have been generated through all this. I know, I know…
There are thousands of relatively young hires who will remember for a long, long time the decisions management made and why. Those decisions have disabused the UNA’s, and many more, of any notion of blissful ignorance as to how we are viewed.
But that’s not the point. Surely you recognize the bait and switch bad-faith negotiating because…. Optics. Think of the goodwill that could have been generated through all this. I know, I know…
There are thousands of relatively young hires who will remember for a long, long time the decisions management made and why. Those decisions have disabused the UNA’s, and many more, of any notion of blissful ignorance as to how we are viewed.
04-29-2021, 05:11 AM
#2625
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Don't worry. When they want you, they'll find you. I've lost track of the amount of memo's saying "don't call us, we'll call you."
I converted to another ac type and waited around a couple of months waiting for a training date before I reconverted on another bid. Then waited around for a few more months. Then was reinstated. Now training is coming: I'm going to miss getting a check for sitting around. Makes me incredibly jealous of the active duty military guys (retired) who earned their COLA protected retirements before going to civilian world.
(Just to be clear, they earned every penny fair and square)
Enjoy this for what it was: a paid vacation you won't see again for the rest of your career.
I converted to another ac type and waited around a couple of months waiting for a training date before I reconverted on another bid. Then waited around for a few more months. Then was reinstated. Now training is coming: I'm going to miss getting a check for sitting around. Makes me incredibly jealous of the active duty military guys (retired) who earned their COLA protected retirements before going to civilian world.
(Just to be clear, they earned every penny fair and square)
Enjoy this for what it was: a paid vacation you won't see again for the rest of your career.
04-29-2021, 05:14 AM
#2626
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by fishforfun
I counted about 11 PAGES (10 pilots per page) of NQAT for NYC320B so I don’t think you’re alone. But please tell me again about the Easter cancellations and pilots getting vaccines.
04-29-2021, 05:31 AM
#2627
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 54
Originally Posted by sailingfun
SIL’s would have done little to nothing to help. 90% of the training issues and training events are being generated by the VEOP and the retirement of two entire fleets in a very short time.
. . .and having a massive MOAD prior to the VEOP.
04-29-2021, 07:20 AM
#2629
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,504
Originally Posted by sailingfun
SIL’s would have done little to nothing to help. 90% of the training issues and training events are being generated by the VEOP and the retirement of two entire fleets in a very short time.
04-29-2021, 07:26 AM
#2630
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Posts: 4,198
Originally Posted by sailingfun
The SIL agreement where management could offer SIL’s at their discretion was only for 60 days regardless of future take rate.
From LOA 20-01 “For the May and June 2020 bid periods, the parties agree to reinstate SIL LOA #2 … [with a] Guarantee of 55 hours…”
Does that sound like “at their discretion” to you? Only in the nuance of the legacy LOA 2 do you find the company determines the categories, if any.
Again, the intent of LOA 20-01 is crystal clear, and they went back on that intent. Period. That’s the point.
Frankly, I strongly suspect JL entered into that agreement with every intent on offering max SIL’s, but when they heard the FA outrage, Ed ordered them to find an out, and they lucked into squishy language in the referenced/original LOA.
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