Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
02-24-2021, 11:18 AM
#921
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Originally Posted by Bergman
Do y’all really think the company will undo it’s recent fleet simplification by adding a new fleet? (787)
Additional 330/350 seem far more likely to me.
Additional 330/350 seem far more likely to me.
IMO only a tiny portion of it was done to reduce the fleet type number. They will add a fleet type in a second if its a good plane at a great price. There's other variables at play that may mean we never see the 787 (or any new plane type) for a long time. However adding a fleet means almost nothing in the aggregate.
02-24-2021, 11:22 AM
#922
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Originally Posted by Bergman
Do y’all really think the company will undo it’s recent fleet simplification by adding a new fleet? (787)
Additional 330/350 seem far more likely to me.
Additional 330/350 seem far more likely to me.
I don’t see this happening but possibly something like us taking a total of ~17 330NEOs and leasing them to VA in exchange for their 787s. They have 3 fleet types and are a much smaller airline that could benefit from a 330/350 only fleet.
or we just bite the bullet and have 3 LH fleet types and replace the 763/764s with 787s while keeping a fleet of 330s
im personally not terribly optimistic about a 787 order (I’m hoping for it but not counting on it) but anything is possible
02-24-2021, 11:31 AM
#923
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Fast forward 13 years and now guys have aviation-related orgasms over Airbuses and are calling the 737 "the new MD88" (notwithstanding the fact that the category list belies this claim.
Originally Posted by Milk Man
hey, you wanna pipe down over here. Geez let the cat out of bag. I got same plan. Buuut nooo, theres always that someone that has to yell it out. ( i guess i need to enter an emoji that states just messin with you, but not sure which one)
Originally Posted by Bergman
Additional 330/350 seem far more likely to me.
02-24-2021, 11:53 AM
#924
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If they decide to do a 365 MOAB which they seem to like to do, the contract requires that the bid have displacements. What category would folks think that would most likely be? Quite a few categories are already shrunk from their precovid size. DTW 717 to consolidate in ATL?
02-24-2021, 11:56 AM
#925
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Originally Posted by Owlchemist
If they decide to do a 365 MOAB which they seem to like to do, the contract requires that the bid have displacements. What category would folks think that would most likely be? Quite a few categories are already shrunk from their precovid size. DTW 717 to consolidate in ATL?
02-24-2021, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Owlchemist
If they decide to do a 365 MOAB which they seem to like to do, the contract requires that the bid have displacements. What category would folks think that would most likely be? Quite a few categories are already shrunk from their precovid size. DTW 717 to consolidate in ATL?
Originally Posted by tennisguru
They just cancelled several displacements off the 7ER that were still waiting to convert from last May's MOAD (DTW and SLC I think?). Those are still displacement fodder as the 7ER is still going to end up with the 4-corners basing strategy.
I believe most were SEA 7ERB.
02-24-2021, 12:06 PM
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Boeing 787-9
Capacity: 296 (2-class)Length: 206 ft
Wingspan: 197 ft
Cabin width: 18 ft 0 in
Maximum takeoff weight: 560,000 lbs
Cruising speed: Mach 0.85
Fuel capacity: 33,384 US gal
Range: 7,635 NM
Airbus A330neo
Capacity: 304 (2-class)Length: 208.9 ft
Wingspan: 210 ft
Cabin width: 17ft 3in
Maximum takeoff weight: 553,000 lbs
Cruising speed: Mach 0.86
Fuel capacity: 36,740 US gal
Range: 7,200 NM
787 is composite and expensive to repair, A339 is aluminum and traditional to maintain/repair.
It would have to be a killer deal to buy 787s, especially without the ExIm Bank thumb-on-the-scales that exUS gets.
02-24-2021, 12:31 PM
#928
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Why do you seem so sure we'll get them?
If the answer is bargain basement loss leader prices coupled with Canal Street priced MAX's in a bundled deal then I'd agree it makes sense. But for a very few missions (Australia in all weather/Joberg etc) will we end up with them or will it be our "partners" doing "half" which varies anywhere from 55%(*AF/KLM) to 75% (Virgin Australia)?
If the answer is bargain basement loss leader prices coupled with Canal Street priced MAX's in a bundled deal then I'd agree it makes sense. But for a very few missions (Australia in all weather/Joberg etc) will we end up with them or will it be our "partners" doing "half" which varies anywhere from 55%(*AF/KLM) to 75% (Virgin Australia)?
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02-24-2021, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Delta mixes up manufacturers types to keep a healthy relationship, and get healthy pricing power from both manufacturers. There is ZERO chance Delta goes all Airbus for long haul widebodies. Plus Delta has Boeing in a similar position to Bombardier before the 220 deal. That means firesale prices.
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