Moved - Flap setting trigger thread
01-20-2021, 06:37 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
As you said our TOFU issues are cultural due to latency, not procedural. I bet we still have issues until people get into the correct mindset.
01-20-2021, 09:52 AM
#25
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Numbers on the AE I’m hearing are similar.
As far as flaps setting in the after start flow... that is us going to what both Boeing and Airbus recommend. Salute received, flaps x was just asking for distraction issues to interfere with flaps extension... and as such it has.
ER is already doing it, and in the next week we will all be doing it. Salute received, flaps x will still be called.... this is adding what should be a pretty solid layer of Swiss cheese to the pile.
As far as flaps setting in the after start flow... that is us going to what both Boeing and Airbus recommend. Salute received, flaps x was just asking for distraction issues to interfere with flaps extension... and as such it has.
ER is already doing it, and in the next week we will all be doing it. Salute received, flaps x will still be called.... this is adding what should be a pretty solid layer of Swiss cheese to the pile.
01-20-2021, 10:04 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Numbers on the AE I’m hearing are similar.
As far as flaps setting in the after start flow... that is us going to what both Boeing and Airbus recommend. Salute received, flaps x was just asking for distraction issues to interfere with flaps extension... and as such it has.
ER is already doing it, and in the next week we will all be doing it. Salute received, flaps x will still be called.... this is adding what should be a pretty solid layer of Swiss cheese to the pile.
As far as flaps setting in the after start flow... that is us going to what both Boeing and Airbus recommend. Salute received, flaps x was just asking for distraction issues to interfere with flaps extension... and as such it has.
ER is already doing it, and in the next week we will all be doing it. Salute received, flaps x will still be called.... this is adding what should be a pretty solid layer of Swiss cheese to the pile.
01-20-2021, 10:06 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
My selective statistical analysis points towards longevity. I don’t know the other fleets‘ statistics, but the UNA and “Affected” have zero TOFU events and they’re staffed by the most junior pilots.
Truth. ATL ramp 2 drives the world.
01-20-2021, 11:20 AM
#28
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 54
At my regional we could taxi with the flaps up if we were getting deiced. Flaps up deice was normal. Then set the flaps prior to takeoff. At the current leave of absence job, we set the flaps after we start taxiing. Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever tried to takeoff with the flaps up at either company. I do not understand all the angst with TOFU around here.
01-20-2021, 11:30 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by TallWeeds
At my regional we could taxi with the flaps up if we were getting deiced. Flaps up deice was normal. Then set the flaps prior to takeoff. At the current leave of absence job, we set the flaps after we start taxiing. Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever tried to takeoff with the flaps up at either company. I do not understand all the angst with TOFU around here.
That said, I think simplicity is a very powerful way to avoid failures.
01-20-2021, 11:30 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by TallWeeds
At my regional we could taxi with the flaps up if we were getting deiced. Flaps up deice was normal. Then set the flaps prior to takeoff. At the current leave of absence job, we set the flaps after we start taxiing. Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever tried to takeoff with the flaps up at either company. I do not understand all the angst with TOFU around here.
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