5 year Market Outlook opinions
#51
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So does the fed raise interest rates when inflation starts to get out of control or do they just let it go?
If they raise interest rates, the market crashes and the government can’t service the national debt. If they don’t raise rates, we have more inflation. They are between a rock and a hard place.
If they raise interest rates, the market crashes and the government can’t service the national debt. If they don’t raise rates, we have more inflation. They are between a rock and a hard place.
#52
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So does the fed raise interest rates when inflation starts to get out of control or do they just let it go?
If they raise interest rates, the market crashes and the government can’t service the national debt. If they don’t raise rates, we have more inflation. They are between a rock and a hard place.
If they raise interest rates, the market crashes and the government can’t service the national debt. If they don’t raise rates, we have more inflation. They are between a rock and a hard place.
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#53
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So does the fed raise interest rates when inflation starts to get out of control or do they just let it go?
If they raise interest rates, the market crashes and the government can’t service the national debt. If they don’t raise rates, we have more inflation. They are between a rock and a hard place.
If they raise interest rates, the market crashes and the government can’t service the national debt. If they don’t raise rates, we have more inflation. They are between a rock and a hard place.
There was a time (pre Reagan era Volcker) that the US intentionally ran a semi inflationary monetary policy, which was supported by some political interests (farmers to name one). One of the incentives was that if the US government ran a nearly balanced fiscal policy, year to year, the inflation ate away at the relative value of dollar denominated debts (operating loans for farmers stayed fixed, while the commodities they grew inflated over their operating/harvest season) and the national debt (largely the IOU on the Vietnam War). Theoretically (a solid no, once you realize politicians are involved), you could pursue an inflationary monetary policy while controlling spending (BWAHAHA) and as tax receipts and the economy grow from a numerical standpoint, it would reduce the size of the deficit down until it could be paid down.
#54
Fed Rate Policy
Another data source for monetary policy beyond APC is the Federal Reserve Board. They publish some crazy 5h17 over there.
Fed Reserve Board
Fed Reserve Board
- On price stability, the FOMC adjusted its strategy for achieving its longer-run inflation goal of 2 percent by noting that it "seeks to achieve inflation that averages 2 percent over time." To this end, the revised statement states that "following periods when inflation has been running persistently below 2 percent, appropriate monetary policy will likely aim to achieve inflation moderately above 2 percent for some time."
#55
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Just one thing to consider is the inflationary effect of this "new normal" monetary policy on risk free stable income. The Keynesian idiots despise savers and have nothing but contempt for middle class savers and retirees beyond whatever they engineer with their social programs. It was common for each million in savings (or prorated as the case may be) to be worth a safe and reliable $50,000/year in risk free income (5% yield). Even as rates fluctuated around that point you could count on it averaging around that (staggered "CD ladders" for example).
Now one million gets you about 90% less than that ($5500 a year using Bankrate's highest CD rates I could find). Tell the savers about that fake 2% inflation target when your policies cratered their risk free income by nearly 90%. So unless you have a government pension there is no safe income anymore. That pushes the savers and fixed income retirees further out on the risk spectrum. Now retirees have to become their own little hedge fund managers. This is government caused of course, but just like goverment caused spastic increases in health care and "education" due mostly to government intervention and social engineering/command and control economics, the problems keep getting worse because of the solutions they impliment.
Screw the savers though. Those idiots can just go to the stonk market because it always goes up and we can fix our broken and broke social programs by massively expanding them by promising them to the world.
#56
Gloopy provided a very accurate reason why interest bearing accounts will leave you broke. The 2% number is a lie for the average citizen. Hedonic indexing is one more component to the lie Gloopy identified.
3 Ways the Government Manipulates Reported Inflation
As a future recipient of a government pension and a current recipient of rental income, I much prefer the rental income. The former is targeted to the CP-Lie index, which gets a COLA that is even less than an already low number. It's better than a savings account or CDs, but still loses a little purchasing power every year. The latter is more closely indexed to real inflation numbers and when leveraged, aligns with federal monetary policy. Owning income property provides a cash on cash return exceeding the best dividend stocks. Owning that property with 50-75% leverage grows your equity 2x - 4x the rate of inflation.
I'm not a fan of the system, but I'll play along until we get a better option. Owning your income is better than working for it.
3 Ways the Government Manipulates Reported Inflation
As a future recipient of a government pension and a current recipient of rental income, I much prefer the rental income. The former is targeted to the CP-Lie index, which gets a COLA that is even less than an already low number. It's better than a savings account or CDs, but still loses a little purchasing power every year. The latter is more closely indexed to real inflation numbers and when leveraged, aligns with federal monetary policy. Owning income property provides a cash on cash return exceeding the best dividend stocks. Owning that property with 50-75% leverage grows your equity 2x - 4x the rate of inflation.
I'm not a fan of the system, but I'll play along until we get a better option. Owning your income is better than working for it.
#57
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
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This is probably just anecdotal but generally inflation is the loss of purchasing power of money due to more of it being in the economy while the supply of goods remains the same. More demand/same supply and all of that.
But it seems to me most of this extra printed money finds its way into the pockets of the extraordinarily rich fairly quickly. These people don't tend to drive up the demand of TVs or milk or whatever. But they do look for places to squirrel away that money in hopes of growing it more, driving up the prices of any speculative vehicle. You can already see this in the exploding prices of stocks, securities, bitcoin, real estate, collectables, trading cards. Even Pokemon cards have exploded in "value" in the past 12 months. I have no idea what this means for the average person but this does seem to be what is happening. What happens with inflation when the rising supply of money is held by a select few?
But it seems to me most of this extra printed money finds its way into the pockets of the extraordinarily rich fairly quickly. These people don't tend to drive up the demand of TVs or milk or whatever. But they do look for places to squirrel away that money in hopes of growing it more, driving up the prices of any speculative vehicle. You can already see this in the exploding prices of stocks, securities, bitcoin, real estate, collectables, trading cards. Even Pokemon cards have exploded in "value" in the past 12 months. I have no idea what this means for the average person but this does seem to be what is happening. What happens with inflation when the rising supply of money is held by a select few?
#58
This will lead you down the path to libertarianism and Austrian economics.
Adam Smith Institute - Cantillon Effect
Spend some time with "Cantillon Effect" and your favorite search engine to draw your own conclusions.
#59
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You are describing the Cantillon Effect. Those closest to the supply of new money benefit most because they get it first, before it enters circulation among the commoners. Money is generally created by making loans vs printing paper. This is why borrowing money to buy assets is a common path to wealth.
This will lead you down the path to libertarianism and Austrian economics.
Adam Smith Institute - Cantillon Effect
Spend some time with "Cantillon Effect" and your favorite search engine to draw your own conclusions.
This will lead you down the path to libertarianism and Austrian economics.
Adam Smith Institute - Cantillon Effect
Spend some time with "Cantillon Effect" and your favorite search engine to draw your own conclusions.
I'd also recommend "Economics in One Lesson". Very easy and quick read about how and why command and control economics and well intended policy planners always fail in the long run (and some in the short run). If that thin and easy to read book is too much, just google the "cobra effect" then extrapolate that downline into the real world always applying Murphy's Law.
If you found the book worth the read, I'd suggest reading: https://cdn.mises.org/Fiat%20Money%2...20France_2.pdf
Despite being old and dealing in the usually dry subject of upstream economics, it reads like its ripped from today's headlines in a way that's almost fascinating.
#60
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Posts: 331
How about gold and silver as an inflation hedge? Good has been down but I think the market will eventually wake up. Especially when the bitcoin bubble bursts.
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