I think we need more than just pay scales. We need pay scales going back further to see high and low points corrected for inflation. We also need the corresponding work rules, because the contract language can completely change the value. I think we can get more facts from full data vs. two cherry picked years that you provided. Also, since we’re doing facts, new hires still don’t get hotels through initial training.

Hard to save on 175k a year (235k in today’s dollars) :o

I was wondering when someone would figure out how an inflation calculator worked. I would also say this very point has been brought up before. Simply put, we are back around the circle again on deadzoners.

Wow, thanks for sleuthing that out and setting me straight. However, if you'll reread my post I said we have helped in the past and prolly in the future...ie the hotel rooms. But when you're hell bent on disagreeing....you can certainly bend it to what you want.

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Crap....inflation?. Seems like that is where I entered the discussion. I had the temerity to point out that the PBGC and frozen NW pension were locked in in 2004 and have no COLA. Thanks for pointing that inflation thing out!

Ohh thank god we're back on the pbgc.

Alright boys, see you in about 200 pages again.

Ok. I reread and see your prolly differentiation thrown in there. That’s my bad. Doesn’t change the rest of my post though, details are important and we should use them all.

$175k per year in '06. How ever did you survive......?


Try $0 for over 5 years on an unfunded involuntary vacation. And on top of that, both pilot groups at the time supported things such as retired pilots coming back to work while folks were on furlough, and 3 loa's allowing the company to "flex up" monthy max times in certain categories despite it stating in the contract it was forbidden to do so with furloughs. But hey, the guys that got to enjoy that financial windfall were the annointed 747 and dc-10 folk. And nevermind it was shown that those loa's kept furloughs on the street even longer.


You (and others) sound just like those individuals that had a full, or close to full frozen pension and as such, received little to no targeted Defined Contribution so that more Defined Contribution went to those with significantly less to no frozen pension (the 'ole "stovepiping" nwalpa called it). What did some of those individuals do? Sued in court to get a slice of the DC contribution pie. It wasn't enough that they had almost a full frozen pension (and some had more via a special annuity). They had to have more. 'Cause.


And to make it even worse for those with little to no frozen pension, the extra defined contribution they got disappeared in '14 with the joint contract. Their DC was reduced to less than what they had been receiving. To this day, it is still less. And those same folk with the full/significant frozen pensions? They got yet another financial windfall when all of a sudden they had a fat 14%(?) DC contribution. While some others got a reduction.


Anybody that wants yet another eye-opener along the lines of good 'ole buck here research or ask around about the tanksley group.


I am going to be very un-pc here, but I really don't care after reading the same drivel from the likes of you and other top-of-the-heap's since/during/before the bankruptcy and furloughs: Please feel free to take your $175k in '06 and stick it where the sun don't shine. Ideally one Federal Reserve Note at a time.

Ohhh Damn!
(I’d insert the Michael Jackson eating popcorn meme, but I’m too lazy)

Well, the good news for you...you won't need any retirement. You are bound to stroke out long before


OBTW....I wasn't NW....and what the Tankrsley group did was wrong. Who paid for (your) Cobra? Yea the guys that thought it was the right thing to do. They coulda said....furloughs, tough tata's ...no problem....they have been around for ever ....deal with it.....about the same attitude as you exhibit here. Glad we didn't do that.....I'm also glad we terminated the B-scale even thought I spent just shy of 5 years on it. Fortunately the majority of the group isn't as short sighted as you. .Have fun wallowing in your misery.


The only thing you can accuse me of is throwing out a COLA to PBGA/frozen plans to see what folks thought . I stated that the MEC over-reach was grossly inappropriate in the last round. The cost would be negligible....about like the Cobra benefits.

This whole thread was started to discuss the pensions and DZers. Thought that was what I was doing....it seems to have struck an emotional nerve.