Easter Meltdown
06-09-2021, 02:01 PM
#491
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Position: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
Posts: 1,982
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not legal at all. I encourage all pilots to keep a copy of the contract handy and have a good basic knowledge of section 23.
You should have been very well compensated if you accepted the illegal reroute. This is not a fly now and grieve later situation as it’s black and white in the contract and not a gray area.
You should have been very well compensated if you accepted the illegal reroute. This is not a fly now and grieve later situation as it’s black and white in the contract and not a gray area.
Instead of going to PHX for my 30 hour layover then back; I did an SXM turn and was done.
Yes I got paid properly.
370Esq asked what a "late tag" was, I gave him an example. Not the first time this has happened to me on this fleet. I know of a few others this has happened to as well. Not a singularity.
06-09-2021, 02:32 PM
#492
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,868
Originally Posted by Drum;3247769[b
]It's very legal.[/b] According to DALPA and the PWA.
Instead of going to PHX for my 30 hour layover then back; I did an SXM turn and was done.
Yes I got paid properly.
370Esq asked what a "late tag" was, I gave him an example. Not the first time this has happened to me on this fleet. I know of a few others this has happened to as well. Not a singularity.
Instead of going to PHX for my 30 hour layover then back; I did an SXM turn and was done.
Yes I got paid properly.
370Esq asked what a "late tag" was, I gave him an example. Not the first time this has happened to me on this fleet. I know of a few others this has happened to as well. Not a singularity.
Drum,
You got some bad info - you cannot be legally rerouted prior to your first leg. I have seen it happen and guys took it and have seen guys say no way. Just think back to all the 23K and No ops of last spring - totally not allowed in the PWA.
L. Reroute
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18 1. A pilot is subject to reroute as defined in Section 23 A. 45.
19 2. A regular pilot may not be rerouted:
20 a. prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation.
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 06-09-2021 at 02:48 PM.
06-09-2021, 02:35 PM
#493
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: Slingin' Gear and Drinkin' Beer
Posts: 593
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
These ones don't pay enough for me to like them especially when it costs me a 32 hour layover in MSY or BNA.
06-09-2021, 02:36 PM
#494
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,716
Originally Posted by Drum
It's very legal. According to DALPA and the PWA.
Instead of going to PHX for my 30 hour layover then back; I did an SXM turn and was done.
Yes I got paid properly.
370Esq asked what a "late tag" was, I gave him an example. Not the first time this has happened to me on this fleet. I know of a few others this has happened to as well. Not a singularity.
Instead of going to PHX for my 30 hour layover then back; I did an SXM turn and was done.
Yes I got paid properly.
370Esq asked what a "late tag" was, I gave him an example. Not the first time this has happened to me on this fleet. I know of a few others this has happened to as well. Not a singularity.
boo hoo, I guess
06-09-2021, 02:47 PM
#495
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
Posts: 1,982
Originally Posted by OOfff
so, you got triple pay for a trip that turned a 3-day into a day trip?
boo hoo, I guess
boo hoo, I guess
The point being - why bid a schedule when they just re-route at will.
Why even have PBS? Why have seniority?
I mean if you are going to ask that question, lets illustrate the absurdity by being absurd
06-09-2021, 02:49 PM
#496
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Position: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Drum,
You got some bad info - you cannot be legally rerouted prior to your first leg. I have seen it happen and guys took it and have seen guys say no way. Just think back to all the 23K and No ops of last spring - totally not allowed in the PWA.
Scoop
You got some bad info - you cannot be legally rerouted prior to your first leg. I have seen it happen and guys took it and have seen guys say no way. Just think back to all the 23K and No ops of last spring - totally not allowed in the PWA.
Scoop
That's what I was told. That is what happened.
06-09-2021, 02:50 PM
#497
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,868
Originally Posted by Drum
I did.
The point being - why bid a schedule when they just re-route at will.
Why even have PBS? Why have seniority?
I mean if you are going to ask that question, lets illustrate the absurdity by being absurd
The point being - why bid a schedule when they just re-route at will.
Why even have PBS? Why have seniority?
I mean if you are going to ask that question, lets illustrate the absurdity by being absurd
You could have refused it - look at 23.L. in the PWA totally Black and White.
Scoop
06-09-2021, 02:53 PM
#498
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Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,868
Originally Posted by Drum
Hey Scoop. I didn't have time to call anyone. After the fact, when I sent everything in to the DALPA scheduling guys, they said it was legit. They birddogged to make sure I was paid properly.
That's what I was told. That is what happened.
That's what I was told. That is what happened.
Scoop
06-09-2021, 02:54 PM
#499
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,117
Originally Posted by Scoop
Drum,
You got some bad info - you cannot be legally rerouted prior to your first leg. I have seen it happen and guys took it and have seen guys say no way. Just think back to all the 23K and No ops of last spring - totally not allowed in the PWA.
L. Reroute
17
18 1. A pilot is subject to reroute as defined in Section 23 A. 45.
19 2. A regular pilot may not be rerouted:
20 a. prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation.
Scoop
You got some bad info - you cannot be legally rerouted prior to your first leg. I have seen it happen and guys took it and have seen guys say no way. Just think back to all the 23K and No ops of last spring - totally not allowed in the PWA.
L. Reroute
17
18 1. A pilot is subject to reroute as defined in Section 23 A. 45.
19 2. A regular pilot may not be rerouted:
20 a. prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation.
Scoop
06-09-2021, 03:04 PM
#500
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,868
Originally Posted by FL370esq
Scoop....you can be re-routed prior to your first leg as a regular line holder but the Company must comply with the exception to 23.L.2.a (which was just below what you pasted). It sounds like they satisfied that exception in Drum's example.
If they just changed turns I really don't see an issue - same layovers etc. Then again once you are wheels in the well you are fair game.
Scoop
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