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04-23-2021, 04:37 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
United also tends to have more first seats and lower total capacity than Delta configured jets. They have 763s running around with around 160 seats. I’d guess a DL 789 to be around 280-290 seats in four class, a little higher than the 339 is.
787-8=330-800
787-9=330-900
787-8=330-800
787-9=330-900
04-23-2021, 05:04 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by Bergman
Please explain. The 350 flies those two routes with no issues. The published 787-9 range is 200nm shorter than the 350, so not understanding how it would be a better fit.
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04-23-2021, 05:09 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by Trip7
There is little need to debate. The 787 is coming to Delta. It's just a question of when. The 350/330s are incapable of completing the mission of the retired 777 and the soon to be retired 767-300ER. The loss of the 777 severely handicapped several iconic Delta routes:
ATL-JNB
ATL-NRT
ATL-ICN
JFK-NRT
LAX-SYD
The 787 can handle these routes with ease.
Moreover, the 787 can efficiently fly to cities that are within or exceed the range of the 767 but too big for the 330.
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ATL-JNB
ATL-NRT
ATL-ICN
JFK-NRT
LAX-SYD
The 787 can handle these routes with ease.
Moreover, the 787 can efficiently fly to cities that are within or exceed the range of the 767 but too big for the 330.
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04-23-2021, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The high capacity two class quote from BOEING is 292. United’s standard international 3 class seating on the 767-300 is 214. I think about the same as ours. They did a some very low density seating but it’s not there normal config. I think they were for the transcon market when everyone went nuts on lie flats ect..
787 is 9 across, 330 is 8, 763 is 7. I know which I’d prefer to ride in. It’s a step up from the 763, so the issue is what do you do until the hypothetical NMA comes? Order another fleet that doesn’t really do the job, or just grow a fleet you already have that is roughly the same capability wise (again, focusing on current 767 stuff, US-Europe/Africa/SA). We don’t do enough ULH stuff that can’t be covered by the eventual fleet of 35 359s. Again, the 787 isn’t some missing link for us. Give me more 330s all day, better for the bid pack with a nice variety of trips
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04-23-2021, 05:26 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Sooooo they are similar seat wise....
Denny
Denny
This really isn’t a rebuttal to you Denny, just a general question. If the aircraft are so similar what does Mama D know that the rest of the world is oblivious to? The 787 is a bestseller, the 330-900......well it’s basically just Delta and a couple of Red Shirts from Star Trek. No one else of note has bought it. For the record I like the 900, it’s comfy, but there has to be a good reason it’s so unpopular.
04-23-2021, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The 787-800 is listed at 248 seats in a two class but I doubt we would ever order it. The 787-900 is listed at 296 seats in a two class so guessing 260 to 270 in our 4 class config.
Edit: UAL has 257 seats in their 787-900’s with a 4 class. They upped that from 252 by removing a galley.
Edit: UAL has 257 seats in their 787-900’s with a 4 class. They upped that from 252 by removing a galley.
04-23-2021, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
This really isn’t a rebuttal to you Denny, just a general question. If the aircraft are so similar what does Mama D know that the rest of the world is oblivious to? The 787 is a bestseller, the 330-900......well it’s basically just Delta and a couple of Red Shirts from Star Trek. No one else of note has bought it. For the record I like the 900, it’s comfy, but there has to be a good reason it’s so unpopular.
04-23-2021, 06:40 PM
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Metal neutral Joint Ventures don't care what paint job is on the airplane.
The 787s are being consolidated at KLM and the A350 at Air France. Does WestJet need 20 787's to serve Calgary, a city the size of San Jose? Why is AeroMexico cutting it's fleet of 737's and increasing 787's?
We are just one part of a much larger puzzle.
The 787s are being consolidated at KLM and the A350 at Air France. Does WestJet need 20 787's to serve Calgary, a city the size of San Jose? Why is AeroMexico cutting it's fleet of 737's and increasing 787's?
We are just one part of a much larger puzzle.
04-23-2021, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Metal neutral Joint Ventures don't care what paint job is on the airplane.
The 787s are being consolidated at KLM and the A350 at Air France. Does WestJet need 20 787's to serve Calgary, a city the size of San Jose? Why is AeroMexico cutting it's fleet of 737's and increasing 787's?
We are just one part of a much larger puzzle.
The 787s are being consolidated at KLM and the A350 at Air France. Does WestJet need 20 787's to serve Calgary, a city the size of San Jose? Why is AeroMexico cutting it's fleet of 737's and increasing 787's?
We are just one part of a much larger puzzle.
